i went to a DUI checkpoint on thursday night

[eye95]

I've been to one , guy told me to lower my window ... I opened it a crack ... he said more .. I said no .. he said he would bust the window .. I put my head on the glass ... he did nothing ....

Video, audio, or it didn't happen. More braggadocios bluster.


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[davidmcbeth]

Video, audio, or it didn't happen. More braggadocios bluster.


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I waited for this one ! I don't run around with a video recorder that produces evidence that could be used against me.

But use the technique I utilized and watch the puzzled faces of LEOs...priceless.

I have proof -- I was not arrested !!

 

[WalkingWolf]

I waited for this one ! I don't run around with a video recorder that produces evidence that could be used against me.

But use the technique I utilized and watch the puzzled faces of LEOs...priceless.

I have proof -- I was not arrested !!

I leaped from a tall building with a single bound~~~I have proof~~~I was not arrested! :lol::lol:

 

[countryclubjoe]

There is no such critter as a avoidable roadblock. The premise that a random citizen may be detained for no other reason than to determine whether or not that citizen did something unlawful is a affront to liberty. Anyone who approves of this tyrannical state act is nothing more than a enabler for tyranny by the state. Anyone who participates in this tyrannical act of tyranny is a tyrant.

DUI road blocks are a fishing expedition. "I do not consent to this encounter, let me pass."

State issued DLs are nothing but a revenue scheme. A DL does not mean that the driver is a good driver. If a DL was to ensure, somewhat, that the driver is "qualified" then there would be a re-qualification process. There is not. Just watch those driving around you, how many do you think really should be driving or have had a DL issued to them.

DUI road blocks are a process step in the efforts of Caesar to collect his tribute.

+1--Outstanding Sir

CCJ

 

[Freedom1Man]

I leaped from a tall building with a single bound~~~I have proof~~~I was not arrested! :lol::lol:

I can jump higher than a building.

 

[onus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KG02ta3_X4

more trampling of the constitution by police

 

[WalkingWolf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KG02ta3_X4

more trampling of the constitution by police

From what I saw it was a consensual encounter, no trampling there, the dufus could have refused to talk to him.

 

[onus]

From what I saw it was a consensual encounter

im sure you did see it that way.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

I can jump higher than a building.

Me too! And that is pure fact I can prove it without video.

 

[OC for ME]

My refusal to speak with a cop is not the same as he, quietly mind you, accepting my refusal and going on about his business. Me refusing does not guarantee that the "consensual encounter" that I did not consent to, will end. If it does, good. However, I am prepared to endure the slings and arrows of a "forced consensual encounter."

It is ironic that I am the one who must end a encounter that I did not desire to have in the first place. Cops always transfer the burden onto the citizen.

 

[Primus]

My refusal to speak with a cop is not the same as he, quietly mind you, accepting my refusal and going on about his business. Me refusing does not guarantee that the "consensual encounter" that I did not consent to, will end. If it does, good. However, I am prepared to endure the slings and arrows of a "forced consensual encounter."

It is ironic that I am the one who must end a encounter that I did not desire to have in the first place. Cops always transfer the burden onto the citizen.

Only in the encounters that get out on TV or the internet. All of the other encounters that occur on a daily basis are never acknowledged. What is the phrase? If it bleeds it leads?

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[OC for ME]

Only in the encounters that get out on TV or the internet. All of the other encounters that occur on a daily basis are never acknowledged. What is the phrase? If it bleeds it leads?

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Speak for yourself. Every encounter with a cop, I am required to end the encounter. The cop started the unwanted encounter, I must end the encounter. Every encounter, the cop placed the burden on me to end the encounter (he did not say that).

It is WRONG that I am the one who must end a encounter that I did not desire to have in the first place. Cops always transfer the burden onto the citizen. FIFY

There's no irony, as I understand irony. It seems that the demotic use of irony is similar to the use of scare-quotes and does not contribute to clear exposition.

Evaluate how you use irony and I'll stick to how I use ironic.

 

[Primus]

Speak for yourself. Every encounter with a cop, I am required to end the encounter. The cop started the unwanted encounter, I must end the encounter. Every encounter, the cop placed the burden on me to end the encounter (he did not say that).

Evaluate how you use irony and I'll stick to how I use ironic.

Well oc I guess one party has to end the encounter. If you end it the burden is on you... if you wait for him to end it then in sure it'll be seen as a detention. So I guess there is no good answer other then no encounter at all.

Every encounter with any person has a beginning,end, and person who ends it. If you standing in line and the guy behind you strikes up a conversation about the weather do feel a "burden" to end it when its time to go? An "encounter" if your using it correctly (I'm assuming you are) is nothing more then a conversation between 2 people. "Hey did you see a guy running by here?" "Nope" "ok have a good day". "Hey can I talk to you for a second?" "Sure what's up? " "did you just come from blah blah blah". Etc. Etc.

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[JamesCanby]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KG02ta3_X4

more trampling of the constitution by police

The Constitution was not trampled. Officer Friendly (Cheng) was masterful in getting willing cooperation from the first photographer and in collecting lots of information to share with the refinery security guard and to enter into the system. It's unfortunate that the video did not start with the initial encounter.

IMO, the first photographer was on public property and was exercising his right to photograph commonly observable sights. "Photography is not a crime." He fell prey to Officer Friendly's tactics by willingly giving up all of his information -- "willingly" being the key word -- instead of simply asking "Am I being detained" and saying "I choose not to make any comments." Because it was a consensual encounter (so far as we can tell from the video) and because he willingly cooperated in the encounter, none of his rights were "trampled."

The second photographer did it correctly -- once he said "I do not choose to comment" [paraphrased], he said nothing ... and nothing happened to him. His rights were not "trampled" either.

We really need to reserve the description of "rights being trampled" for situations where they actually are...

 

[OC for ME]

Well oc I guess one party has to end the encounter. If you end it the burden is on you... if you wait for him to end it then in sure it'll be seen as a detention. So I guess there is no good answer other then no encounter at all.

Every encounter with any person has a beginning,end, and person who ends it. If you standing in line and the guy behind you strikes up a conversation about the weather do feel a "burden" to end it when its time to go? An "encounter" if your using it correctly (I'm assuming you are) is nothing more then a conversation between 2 people. "Hey did you see a guy running by here?" "Nope" "ok have a good day". "Hey can I talk to you for a second?" "Sure what's up? " "did you just come from blah blah blah". Etc. Etc.

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This is a OC site and not a "are you a witness to 'X' site. In MO I have a burden to ID myself as a witness. It is a misdemeanor to not ID myself as a witness if LE knows, or reasonably suspects that I am a witness. I have zero issues with this type of encounter.

My OCed and properly holstered firearm, absent any other "issue", is not a basis for a encounter with a cop. The cop initiates the encounter and my refusal to engage him either requires the cop to disengage, or for me to compel him to disengage. The burden is on me because anecdotal evidence suggests that the OCer, in almost every instance, bears the burden to end the "consensual contact" that the OCer did not initiate, let alone desire. If the cop comes up and uses "friendly banter" it will be evident in short order if it is friendly banter or a "casual investigation of me while I am OCing. Most cop/OCer encounters are brief and both part ways without incident. I cannot rely upon that scenario to play out. I must presume the "worst case." I do not know what he knows, or what he thinks he knows.

 

[Primus]

The Constitution was not trampled. Officer Friendly (Cheng) was masterful in getting willing cooperation from the first photographer and in collecting lots of information to share with the refinery security guard and to enter into the system. It's unfortunate that the video did not start with the initial encounter.

IMO, the first photographer was on public property and was exercising his right to photograph commonly observable sights. "Photography is not a crime." He fell prey to Officer Friendly's tactics by willingly giving up all of his information -- "willingly" being the key word -- instead of simply asking "Am I being detained" and saying "I choose not to make any comments." Because it was a consensual encounter (so far as we can tell from the video) and because he willingly cooperated in the encounter, none of his rights were "trampled."

The second photographer did it correctly -- once he said "I do not choose to comment" [paraphrased], he said nothing ... and nothing happened to him. His rights were not "trampled" either.

We really need to reserve the description of "rights being trampled" for situations where they actually are...

Well said James. "Rights being trampled" is getting tossed around like "tyranny, thug, oppression, etc. ". They are becoming catch phrases to label anything someone doesn't like. That's a shame because it takes away from The real occurrences of these abuses that do happen.

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[Fuller Malarkey]

Only in the encounters that get out on TV or the internet. All of the other encounters that occur on a daily basis are never acknowledged. What is the phrase? If it bleeds it leads?

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Some of that is easily explained. Intimidation, illegal seizures of cameras and recording devices, self-serving arrests......

Possibly SOP of Massachusetts police interpretation of respectful treatment of citizens?

[video=youtube;lA42Of50nqQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA42Of50nqQ[/video]

 

[WalkingWolf]

Well said James. "Rights being trampled" is getting tossed around like "tyranny, thug, oppression, etc. ". They are becoming catch phrases to label anything someone doesn't like. That's a shame because it takes away from The real occurrences of these abuses that do happen.

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Ya know this is one of the times I agree with you, especially the last sentence, maybe you are starting to understand the concept of liberty. As far as CaP, most everything he posts is hyperbole.

 

[Fuller Malarkey]

Well oc I guess one party has to end the encounter. If you end it the burden is on you... if you wait for him to end it then in sure it'll be seen as a detention. So I guess there is no good answer other then no encounter at all.

Every encounter with any person has a beginning,end, and person who ends it. If you standing in line and the guy behind you strikes up a conversation about the weather do feel a "burden" to end it when its time to go? An "encounter" if your using it correctly (I'm assuming you are) is nothing more then a conversation between 2 people. "Hey did you see a guy running by here?" "Nope" "ok have a good day". "Hey can I talk to you for a second?" "Sure what's up? " "did you just come from blah blah blah". Etc. Etc.

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The prescribed reaction is to remain calm, keep your hands in plain view, ask the question "am I free to go". If the answer is in the affirmative, DISENGAGE AND WALK AWAY. If the officer will not answer, inform them of your intent to walk away. If they restrain you, verbalize your demand for an legal representation before answering ANY questions. If you are informed you are not free to leave, invoke your right to an attorney. Know the laws regarding IDing yourself. The primary reason ID is demanded is to initiate a prosecution against you.

 

[davidmcbeth]

Some of that is easily explained. Intimidation, illegal seizures of cameras and recording devices, self-serving arrests......

Possibly SOP of Massachusetts police interpretation of respectful treatment of citizens?

[video=youtube;lA42Of50nqQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA42Of50nqQ[/video]

Nice vid ... of course, if one connects his camcorder to a telescope you can be a far away and get the same video ... but no sound ...

The fat one is a SGT not a detective, so people see him all the time in uniform....