Is it time yet?

[Bobarino]

I'm not in the "It's Time" camp at the moment either, however, as for the grievances addressed in the Declaration of Independence....

He has erected multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our People, and eat out their substance.

Sound like the DEA, BATFE, NSA, DHS, TSA etc etc ad nauseum.

For imposing taxes on us without our consent:

For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of a Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seasto be tried for pretended offences...

Sounds like lots of taxes and the "Patriot" act huh? Guantanamo anyone? "Secret" CIA prisons overseas?


Among others, which I will quote when I have some more time.

 

[Curmudgeon]

To the question, "Is it time yet?" I have this answer...

When you get angry enough, grab your rifle and run outside. If you're the only one there, it's not time yet.

 

[Mr.FiredUp]

To the question, "Is it time yet?" I have this answer...

When you get angry enough, grab your rifle and run outside. If you're the only one there, it's not time yet.

^^^This^^^

 

[rodbender]

Sound like the DEA, BATFE, NSA, DHS, TSA etc etc ad nauseum.

All of which are unconstitutional along with the FBI and IRS cops, except maybe National Security Agency.

 

[ChiangShih]

IMO, there is no liberal extremest that is any worse than any conservative extremest. Liberals and conservatives, left to their own devices, would drive this country into dirt. What this country needs is more moderates and free thinkers. Partisan alignment is an act of apathy and laziness, an unwillingness to strive for real change, thus choosing the lesser of two very clear evils to support.

 

[Daylen]

IMO, there is no liberal extremest that is any worse than any conservative extremest. Liberals and conservatives, left to their own devices, would drive this country into dirt. What this country needs is more moderates and free thinkers. Partisan alignment is an act of apathy and laziness, an unwillingness to strive for real change, thus choosing the lesser of two very clear evils to support.

mind clarifying if you are talking about social conservatives, constitutional conservatives or lumping them all together?

 

[ChiangShih]

mind clarifying if you are talking about social conservatives, constitutional conservatives or lumping them all together?

Social conservatives of course, though at times some individuals blur the lines between the two. I have no issues with constitutional conservatives who know what they're talking about. My original statement does include the social conservatives propagating Glenn Beck talking points crying everything is unconstitutional(but of course they aren't real constitutional conservatives). In summary, con-cons = ok,
soc-cons and soc-libs = same train to crazy town.

 

[Xulld]

I thought it worth repeating here.


http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?70594-EVERYONE-PLEASE-READ

 

[Curmudgeon]

When you get angry enough, grab your rifle and run outside.










...If you're the only one there, it's not time yet. :uhoh:

 

[Old Grump]

The Brits taxed us without giving us any say in what would be fair taxation and they came for our guns. The left believe in government control, more taxes, and do not like our guns. When they come for our guns it is time.

 

[Daylen]

Social conservatives of course, though at times some individuals blur the lines between the two. I have no issues with constitutional conservatives who know what they're talking about. My original statement does include the social conservatives propagating Glenn Beck talking points crying everything is unconstitutional(but of course they aren't real constitutional conservatives). In summary, con-cons = ok,
soc-cons and soc-libs = same train to crazy town.

well those who care about social issues are only on the road to crazy town when they cross the line and become right wing or left wing. Or in other words for those who do not know what right wing and left wing really means: when someone advocates passing laws to keep the social status quo or passing laws to change the social order they are on the train to crazy town and mass murder. So far I have yet to see Beck really push that ****, he just seems to advocate individuals choosing social conservatism.

 

[oak1971]

If you want to know if it is time or not, grab your rifle and walk to the end of your driveway. If you see a bunch of other people doing the same, its time.

 

[Doug Huffman]

Conservatism is monolithic three-legged stool, take 1 away & it's a turd on two legs

Conservatism is monolithic, a three-legged stool, take one away and it's a turd on two legs called moderation.

Social conservatism, fiscal conservatism and foreign policy conservatism

 

[GLOCK21GB]

is it time ?? It's past time time for the " R - EVENT" to happen. Our founding fathers revolted against the Brits for ALOT less. We are now Taxed to death. taxes going up every year. our freedoms being stripped away every year. If things don't change drastically by the 2012 election, it will be too late. The people are really getting pizzed off.

I am ready.

 

[Daylen]

Conservatism is monolithic, a three-legged stool, take one away and it's a turd on two legs called moderation.

Social conservatism, fiscal conservatism and foreign policy conservatism

take away social conservatism and foreign policy conservatism enacted as law and yer at the freedom level of the founders. I don't think that is called moderation, libertarianism perhaps.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

I submit this from observation,

Any revolution will not, I say again, NOT, come from the right, but from the left.

In all the conservative (TEA Party) protests I've read of, not one, I say again NOT ONE, act of violence has been reported, that I have seen. The fact is that a before and after shot of the mall in D.C. of Glenn Becks rally on 8/28 showed that it was cleaner after the rally than when it began. That, in itself, says volumes about the conservative movement.

In almost every liberal protest, there has been burning of police vehicles, turning over of vehicles, looting, assaults and other sorts of violence.

My scenario is this: We win enough elections in the near future to start converting back to a Constitutional government and start doing away with some of these giveaways, departments and agencies that we have now. This will infuriate the left and the revolution will inevitably begin. They simply will not tolerate not being given what is "owed" to them.

Like David Crockett found out, there is no provision in the Constitution for charity. And by this I mean charity of any kind, whether it be to foreign governments, to corporations, to 501(c)3s, to individuals, to political candidates, or any of the other types of charities that our congress gives our public monies to.

So let me get this right, you are saying that Republicans are all talk and no action while Democrats or lefties are not only talk but action? I always figured that was the case.

So much for the purported silent majority that is going to take America back to where she used to be, no Civil Rights, no Suffrage Movement, cookie cutter homes, wives that don't have an opinion...pfft, no thanks, America of the past that only worked for the white male. America is evolving and there is no stopping it...fear-mongers call it Socialism, as if they actually know what Socialism really is and really means.

 

[rodbender]

So let me get this right, you are saying that Republicans are all talk and no action while Democrats or lefties are not only talk but action? I always figured that was the case.

So much for the purported silent majority that is going to take America back to where she used to be, no Civil Rights, no Suffrage Movement, cookie cutter homes, wives that don't have an opinion...pfft, no thanks, America of the past that only worked for the white male. America is evolving and there is no stopping it...fear-mongers call it Socialism, as if they actually know what Socialism really is and really means.

I think you know that is not what I'm talking about. I do not want to take America back to the point you discuss. If you think it ain't socialism, read the Communist Manifesto.

 

[Daylen]

So let me get this right, you are saying that Republicans are all talk and no action while Democrats or lefties are not only talk but action? I always figured that was the case.

So much for the purported silent majority that is going to take America back to where she used to be, no Civil Rights, no Suffrage Movement, cookie cutter homes, wives that don't have an opinion...pfft, no thanks, America of the past that only worked for the white male. America is evolving and there is no stopping it...fear-mongers call it Socialism, as if they actually know what Socialism really is and really means.

That straw man argument is getting tiresome. Cutting the federal government back in scope to the areas it is constitutionally allowed does not affect civil rights, just how many federal workers there are. Eliminating taxes does not bring back slavery, in fact it frees people from being enslaved by the feds. Eliminating gun control laws that were enacted to keep the poor and blacks in their place does not hurt the poor or minorities.

Oh and I do agree that many democrats or at least progressives are not all talk when it comes to mass murder. In California, Europe and South America they have shown that causing great civil unrest, rioting and murder are ok as long as it moves things in their preferred direction.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

That straw man argument is getting tiresome. Cutting the federal government back in scope to the areas it is constitutionally allowed does not affect civil rights, just how many federal workers there are. Eliminating taxes does not bring back slavery, in fact it frees people from being enslaved by the feds. Eliminating gun control laws that were enacted to keep the poor and blacks in their place does not hurt the poor or minorities.

Oh and I do agree that many democrats or at least progressives are not all talk when it comes to mass murder. In California, Europe and South America they have shown that causing great civil unrest, rioting and murder are ok as long as it moves things in their preferred direction.

So you follow-up declaring that something in my response is a straw man argument, then you follow it up with a number of straw man arguments. The government grew substantially under GWB...let me guess, he wasn't a "true" "conservative?" Yea, since Christian mothers aren't known for drowning all of their children to save them from the devil, and Christian mothers aren't at the shooting range with their son, stepping behind him to blow his head off before she kills herself, all because she believed she deserved to go to hell and he deserved to go to heaven. Conservative have just as much, if not more blood on their hands in America.

 

[OldCurlyWolf]

So you follow-up declaring that something in my response is a straw man argument, then you follow it up with a number of straw man arguments. The government grew substantially under GWB...let me guess, he wasn't a "true" "conservative?" Yea, since Christian mothers aren't known for drowning all of their children to save them from the devil, and Christian mothers aren't at the shooting range with their son, stepping behind him to blow his head off before she kills herself, all because she believed she deserved to go to hell and he deserved to go to heaven. Conservative have just as much, if not more blood on their hands in America.

Not even worthy of a counter argument.