It begins, Veterans' Disarmament. A letter to GRGRSC El Presidente

[Bill Starks]

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51 minutes it took me to read to this point. Once I got passed 22 minutes of you guys bickering back and forth I actually got some good info from this thread. While the thread still somehow stayed on topic the bickering portion should have been handled in PM's. I do wish for the return of moderators.....

 

[KansasMustang]

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It doesn't matter if you see in the bill that some PTSD veterans may or may not be prohibited. It matters ONLY that some ARE being and that being added to the prohibited or NO FLY list makes you ineligible. You don't have to BE a Muslim, or a radical to get on the LIST either, ask Ted Kennedy, he somehow wound up on the "No Fly" list. When are you pitiful people going to realize that the Liberal Socialists DO NOT play fair and what we are going into is basically going to be almost the same as the Peoples Republics. DO you not listen, read nor pay attention to who is going to be appointed into not only the Cabinet , but other government agencies? It's like a who's who of socialists. Geez, am I the only one awake here?

 

[Citizen]

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KansasMustang wrote:

SNIP Geez, am I the only one awake here?

No. The rest of us are just quietly smoldering.

 

[wrightme]

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No, you are not the only one awake here. I am very awake, and followed the election meltdown with anguish. I am currently checking Thomas (library of congress) daily or so to keep up with pending legislation, and updating our local organization website with tracking information so we can watch what our elected representatives are pushing through Congress.

I am awake enough to see that HR2640 isn't perfect, but that it does provide some method of relief from inaccurate list inclusion, and does specify a definition for "mental adjudication" that does not include a diagnosis of PTSD by a military doctor. I am awake enough to go toe-to-toe with a GOA rep to try and get a straight answer from them, and got evasions and dislike for the NRA.

I am awake enough to see that already the House Democrats are poised to push through a partisan package, and deny Republicans a voice, and deny the people their voice.

If any Veteran is on the NICS list for a diagnosis of PTSD or a statement of "inability to handle his/her finances," that Veteran needs to call the NRA help number, and initiate proceedings for removal. Those definitions that the BATFE would like to use aren't recognized by Title 18 which was amended by HR2640.

 

[KansasMustang]

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wrightme wrote:

No, you are not the only one awake here. I am very awake,


I am awake enough to see that already the House Democrats are poised to push through a partisan package, and deny Republicans a voice, and deny the people their voice.

If any Veteran is on the NICS list for a diagnosis of PTSD or a statement of "inability to handle his/her finances," that Veteran needs to call the NRA help number, and initiate proceedings for removal. Those definitions that the BATFE would like to use aren't recognized by Title 18 which was amended by HR2640.

Are you awake enough to realize that #1 they don't give a S#$% and aren't going to play by the rules. And it doesn't matter if one applies for removal, they won't. #2 NO veteran should be on the list in the first place, except if he/she is diagnosed with severe mental problems from a COMPETENT psychiatrist, if there is such a thing. Hell they tried to tell me I was crazy when I reenlisted to stay for a second tour, told em I had to be crazy in the first place to be doin what I was.
But I'm assuming, and you know what happens when you assume, that you are indeed awake, at least enough to tell me you are.

 

[wrightme]

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KansasMustang wrote:

wrightme wrote:

No, you are not the only one awake here. I am very awake,


I am awake enough to see that already the House Democrats are poised to push through a partisan package, and deny Republicans a voice, and deny the people their voice.

If any Veteran is on the NICS list for a diagnosis of PTSD or a statement of "inability to handle his/her finances," that Veteran needs to call the NRA help number, and initiate proceedings for removal. Those definitions that the BATFE would like to use aren't recognized by Title 18 which was amended by HR2640.

Are you awake enough to realize that #1 they don't give a S#$% and aren't going to play by the rules. And it doesn't matter if one applies for removal, they won't. #2 NO veteran should be on the list in the first place, except if he/she is diagnosed with severe mental problems from a COMPETENT psychiatrist, if there is such a thing. Hell they tried to tell me I was crazy when I reenlisted to stay for a second tour, told em I had to be crazy in the first place to be doin what I was.
But I'm assuming, and you know what happens when you assume, that you are indeed awake, at least enough to tell me you are.

You say this, but can you show it to be a fact? I have seen no factual data to indicate that what you allege is true. The OP does not prove it, and no actual information about the OPwas presented.

Instead of claiming I am "not awake," can you provide something to back up your points other than simple opinion?

 

[KansasMustang]

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Did you look at the thread titled "Motorist arrested carrying 16,,,, need I say anything more? Just look around you, pay attention to REAL news networks, Like Fox not CNN and watch how many of our freedoms are being simply pissed away. The statement made by the gal, "So what if it's unconstitutional,," Geez,,do I have to spell it out for you? It's the way THEY (the Liberal Victims) think.

 

[wrightme]

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KansasMustang wrote:

Did you look at the thread titled "Motorist arrested carrying 16,,,, need I say anything more? Just look around you, pay attention to REAL news networks, Like Fox not CNN and watch how many of our freedoms are being simply pissed away. The statement made by the gal, "So what if it's unconstitutional,," Geez,,do I have to spell it out for you? It's the way THEY (the Liberal Victims) think.

I looked at that thread.

It has nothing to do with the HR2640 topic.

 

[KansasMustang]

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wrightme wrote:

KansasMustang wrote:

Did you look at the thread titled "Motorist arrested carrying 16,,,, need I say anything more? Just look around you, pay attention to REAL news networks, Like Fox not CNN and watch how many of our freedoms are being simply pissed away. The statement made by the gal, "So what if it's unconstitutional,," Geez,,do I have to spell it out for you? It's the way THEY (the Liberal Victims) think.

I looked at that thread.

It has nothing to do with the HR2640 topic.

No, but it shows just how far the bastards will go out of their way to obliterate our rights. Arresting a man that was transporting arms to pick up a friend at the airport and going to a shooting range. A LAC who was just going to go have some fun shooting with a friend. Utterly rediculous. I am of the opinion that if we don't pay attention to ALL of this type of situation we will lose in the end. just me saying it. Does it relate to HR2640, not really,,but yes really. ALL things that stomp on our toes are related.

 

[wrightme]

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KansasMustang wrote:

wrightme wrote:

KansasMustang wrote:

Did you look at the thread titled "Motorist arrested carrying 16,,,, need I say anything more? Just look around you, pay attention to REAL news networks, Like Fox not CNN and watch how many of our freedoms are being simply pissed away. The statement made by the gal, "So what if it's unconstitutional,," Geez,,do I have to spell it out for you? It's the way THEY (the Liberal Victims) think.

I looked at that thread.

It has nothing to do with the HR2640 topic.

No, but it shows just how far the bastards will go out of their way to obliterate our rights. Arresting a man that was transporting arms to pick up a friend at the airport and going to a shooting range. A LAC who was just going to go have some fun shooting with a friend. Utterly rediculous. I am of the opinion that if we don't pay attention to ALL of this type of situation we will lose in the end. just me saying it. Does it relate to HR2640, not really,,but yes really. ALL things that stomp on our toes are related.

That is exactly why I am paying attention to this particular bill/law. I am still looking in to the ramifications. In Nevada, we have one pre-filed bill prepared for this session that addresses the state requirements.
I am awake, I pay attention, I research, I track, but I do not blindly jump the direction indicated by an email sent to someone, forwarded to someone else, then posted here with no factual data relevant to the thread topic line.
The thread you reference about the gun confiscation has no bearing on this thread. Neither does HR2640, yet I took the time to really look in to it. Even the GOA themselves were unable (or unwilling) to address the points I presented directly to them.
The OP of this thread was not an NICS listing wrt HR2640. HR2640 does not provide for the listing of non-adjudicated veterans diagnosed with PTSD. It is silent on that specific, and doesn't recognize the 27CFR BATFE definition of "mentally adjudicated." If that definition is used for NICS inclusion, remedy is being mandated for state enactment. NV is just NOW introducing legislation to address HR2640. In other words, I am watching Nevada just now provide the means for list inclusion challenge.
Any attempt by you to claim that I am not awake is false, and uncalled for.