lapeer20m
Regular Member
You should not attempt iwb oc without cpl. While most likely legal, the penalty is too great if convicted.
Legally, I do not think a pistol can be half-concealed. It either is or it is not. iwb oc =gray area for NON-CPL holders only as a cop could make the argument that he feels it is concealed. If you have cpl...who cares? both forms of carry are perfectly legal.
Here is an exerpt from AG opinion number 3158. (dealing specifically with mcl750.227 i believe) the question was asked if a pistol would be considered concealed if part of it were covered.
Impossible is a pretty high standard.
If an officer notices my iwb pistol and then asks for my "ccw" and id, i would feel no duty to disclose or to give him my papers. If the purpose of the stop is because he noticed my sidearm, then it was obviously not Impossible for him to see any part of it.
Legally, I do not think a pistol can be half-concealed. It either is or it is not. iwb oc =gray area for NON-CPL holders only as a cop could make the argument that he feels it is concealed. If you have cpl...who cares? both forms of carry are perfectly legal.
Here is an exerpt from AG opinion number 3158. (dealing specifically with mcl750.227 i believe) the question was asked if a pistol would be considered concealed if part of it were covered.
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"The statute does not mean or import that no part of the weapons should be concealed, but the offense is only committed when the weapon is so concealed that it is impossible for one approaching in view of the person carrying the weapon to see any part of it. All that the Legislature meant when it prohibited the carrying of concealed weapons was to compel persons to so wear them that others who might come in contact with them might see that they were armed and dangerous persons, who were to be avoided in consequence, for, if it should be required that no part of the weapon should be concealed, the statute would amount to an infringement of the constitutional right of citizens to have and bear arms, since it would be impossible for one to have and bear about his person a pistol or weapon of any kind without having some part of it concealed. (Stockdale v. State, 32 Ga. 225, 227)
Impossible is a pretty high standard.
If an officer notices my iwb pistol and then asks for my "ccw" and id, i would feel no duty to disclose or to give him my papers. If the purpose of the stop is because he noticed my sidearm, then it was obviously not Impossible for him to see any part of it.