leoffensive
Regular Member
haha i loved how he asked if you needed anything else and you didnt reply and he said "ok" haha it was like there was a big a$$ middle finger being directed and poo being flung at him.
I don't see them having a problem shooting you if you break leather with them at a low ready.
I'm sorry, but officers are supposed to act better than citizens. They not only swore an oath to uphold the constitution, but go through rigorous training and mental screening. Being threatened, and threatening in return, a civilian who has done nothing but exercise a fundamental right (legally) makes their behavior even more deplorable.
So you're okay with the police threatening citizens, but think homicide is justified when the same positions are reversed?
Does "proning out" UOC'rs seem like a legitimate exercise?
Do you believe police breaking leather to do a check w/o a reasonable suspicion a crime had, or will be committed is okay?
It really does seem like you're okay with two standards, one for citizens and another for agents of the government.
It's anyone's guess for a reason. I'm not sure why you'd want or expect us to broadcast our tactics or specifics other than impatience.
-Brandon
I'm sorry, but officers are supposed to act better than citizens. They not only swore an oath to uphold the constitution, but go through rigorous training and mental screening. Being threatened, and threatening in return, a civilian who has done nothing but exercise a fundamental right (legally) makes their behavior even more deplorable.
So you're okay with the police threatening citizens, but think homicide is justified when the same positions are reversed?
Does "proning out" UOC'rs seem like a legitimate exercise?
Do you believe police breaking leather to do a check w/o a reasonable suspicion a crime had, or will be committed is okay?
It really does seem like you're okay with two standards, one for citizens and another for agents of the government.
Fact: No one carrying a gun likes to be e checked or thinks it's ok
Fact: You touch your gun while in the presence of an officer and you chance getting shot
Fact: Gundude was just stating a fact when he said "I don't see them having a problem shooting you if you break leather with them at a low ready."
Fact: If the above happened, it would more than likely be deemed justifiable
Fact: If you touch your gun in the presence of an officer you're not very smart
Just because the Cal statute strangely provides police the power to inspect gun load conditions in incorporated areas does not mean that the police must or even should do this.
I think the statutory power of police to inspect guns like this should be challenged as a 4th amendment violation in federal court - makes no sense under our constitutinal traditions, abset reasonable suspicion, See Delaware v. Prouse (no stopiing drivers to check for driver's licenses abset reasonable suspicion of crime afoot) to allow p[olice the power to detain people like this.
The best plaintiff might be somebody who is serially being checked by police even though the police have no RAS of any crime and the police already know the citizen by name and sight and know that they are not a prohibited person or have any history of carrying loaded - hmmm, who might that be??
Would I fit the bill?
First echeck was me in cuffs for two hours. With audio.
Second was about half an hour. Two minutes into the video One of the LE from the first detainment IDs me to the other police that had me in cuffs. They still kept me for 26 minuets.
Here is the vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbhqsZED0sY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Fact: If you touch your gun in the presence of an officer you're not very smart
I disagree. I have handled my gun in the presence of an officer. I have seen other OC'ers do the same. Our expectation is that we would not be shot. We were not shot. This seems very reasonable and I think is the norm, based on the lack of officer shootings during e-checks.
Not the norm and not to be expected is to be shot for simply handling your weapon during an e-check. When people start to be shot on a regular basis during an e-check and I continue to handle my weapon, then maybe you can characterize me as not very smart.