MI HB 6048 of 2010

[lil_freak_66]

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viperar15 wrote:

the only problem that i see if having an endorsement on a drivers license is when you need to present it for identification of a cc purchase (which technically, a business cannot ask you to provide.... as crazy as that sounds), or check processing, or in a bank to with draw funds, etc.... do YOU want those people to know that potentially that you may be carrying concealed??

most of us open carry...why would we be afraid of people knowing we carry?

 

[mel5051]

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lil_freak_66 wrote:

viperar15 wrote:

the only problem that i see if having an endorsement on a drivers license is when you need to present it for identification of a cc purchase (which technically, a business cannot ask you to provide.... as crazy as that sounds), or check processing, or in a bank to with draw funds, etc.... do YOU want those people to know that potentially that you may be carrying concealed??

most of us open carry...why would we be afraid of people knowing we carry?

I certainly hope, at your age of 17, that you are NOT carrying at all. Leave that until you are the legal age of 18, which I believe in your case, in late July.

 

[northofnowhere]

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I prefer the entire world to know I carry, but the point is quite good, most people who carry prefer noone to know "always carry, never tell" and such. While I prefer to spread the word and get more people interested in self defense, others do not feel that political and social draw to get others to do so as well. perhaps for that crowd the license endorsement would be a bad way to go, as they prefer to keep thier gun a private matter.

Very good point on the endorsement idea. Gotta express your rights, but still need to respect and think about others and how they express them as well.

 

[cscitney87]

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I wouldn't want the CCW on my Drivers License. There are some private business that post No Firearms stickers. If I have to present my ID; I do not need the owner knowing I have a firearm. The point of concealing over Open Carry is just in case of this situation. Go In- Transact Business- Leave.. All while carrying but concealed as to be asked to leave the business. I know about all the cunning replies and come backs to the above situation so save it. Just saying I don't want the CCW indicator on my Drivers License. It's a very, very, very personal issue to me. Much more so than my Date of Birth and Address (which are publicly available anyway). CCW status is Private.

 

[cscitney87]

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Every time you use your Credit Card and the merchant asks for ID.. Do you need that person knowing you are Armed with a firearm? Absolutely Not in any Fashion/Way/Just No. Happens to us all the time when we use a credit card.

 

[viperar15]

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lil_freak_66 wrote:

viperar15 wrote:

the only problem that i see if having an endorsement on a drivers license is when you need to present it for identification of a cc purchase (which technically, a business cannot ask you to provide.... as crazy as that sounds), or check processing, or in a bank to with draw funds, etc.... do YOU want those people to know that potentially that you may be carrying concealed??

most of us open carry...why would we be afraid of people knowing we carry?

that is because sometimes, maybe some of us who do OC need or want to conceal for a specific reason and do not under any circumstances want another person to know that we are carrying legally (i will not endorse or support the cover up to conceal in a business that states no firearms).

plus as others have stated, those that do not OC and only CC should not have to give up their ability to stay concealed and private to anyone that they may run into that may need for a legal reason to see your ID.

remember... its not just about us OC'ers, Its also about the CC'ers.

 

[SpringerXDacp]

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viperar15 wrote:

lil_freak_66 wrote:

viperar15 wrote:

the only problem that i see if having an endorsement on a drivers license is when you need to present it for identification of a cc purchase (which technically, a business cannot ask you to provide.... as crazy as that sounds), or check processing, or in a bank to with draw funds, etc.... do YOU want those people to know that potentially that you may be carrying concealed??

most of us open carry...why would we be afraid of people knowing we carry?

that is because sometimes, maybe some of us who do OC need or want to conceal for a specific reason and do not under any circumstances want another person to know that we are carrying legally (i will not endorse or support the cover up to conceal in a business that states no firearms).

plus as others have stated, those that do not OC and only CC should not have to give up their ability to stay concealed and private to anyone that they may run into that may need for a legal reason to see your ID.

remember... its not just about us OC'ers, Its also about the CC'ers.

If this bill becomes law, the only way to avoid the situation is if the State would also provide a separate State ID for those with the CPL/CCW endorsement on the original ID or at lest offer it as an option.

 

[cscitney87]

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Now you're thinking! Options are always nice.

 

[stainless1911]

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Ive only had a chance to read part of this thing, and Ive noticed that several times the word "weapons" was crossed out, and the word "weapon" is used in its place. Does that mean, A. That it will no longer pertain to pistols only, and B. That without the plural, they will not allow the posession of a second gun/knife?

 

[Bronson]

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khicks wrote:

the only problem i see is, where the bill crosses out pistols licence for pistol, (one) not the possibility of more then one being carried. as i read it, and i my be wrong

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(v02rtf45kfdge355jckc3byx))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-8-3b&query=on&highlight=singular%20AND%20plural

8.3b Singular and plural; gender.



Sec. 3b.

Every word importing the singular number only may extend to and embrace the plural number, and every word importing the plural number may be applied and limited to the singular number. Every word importing the masculine gender only may extend and be applied to females as well as males.

Bronson

 

[stainless1911]

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:cuss:so, they have their own dictionary and thesaurus too? OMFG!:banghead:

 

[FatboyCykes]

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Bronson wrote:

khicks wrote:

the only problem i see is, where the bill crosses out pistols licence for pistol, (one) not the possibility of more then one being carried. as i read it, and i my be wrong

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(v02rtf45kfdge355jckc3byx))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-8-3b&query=on&highlight=singular%20AND%20plural

8.3b Singular and plural; gender.



Sec. 3b.

Every word importing the singular number only may extend to and embrace the plural number, and every word importing the plural number may be applied and limited to the singular number. Every word importing the masculine gender only may extend and be applied to females as well as males.

Bronson

Why go out of the way to change it though? :/

 

[viperar15]

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i did not see anywhere that "pistols" was crossed out and replaced with "pistol"

also, as far as the "weapons" being crossed out and being replaced with "weapon" was every time they refered to the concealed weapon(s) board.

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[MarineSgt]

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I think it would be nice to have a State ID with the CPL endorsement on it and still be able to keep the drivers license without it.

 

[fozzy71]

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SpringerXDacp wrote:

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If this bill becomes law, the only way to avoid the situation is if the State would also provide a separate State ID for those with the CPL/CCW endorsement on the original ID or at lest offer it as an option.

I believe I read a post on here, from a new CPL holder, that his card was all plastic, similar to a dtrivers license or credit card, sans the magnetic strip. I could be mistaken, and perhaps it was in a different forum, but I think it was here.


ETA: Post #69 FTW

 

[viperar15]

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fozzy71 wrote:

SpringerXDacp wrote:

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If this bill becomes law, the only way to avoid the situation is if the State would also provide a separate State ID for those with the CPL/CCW endorsement on the original ID or at lest offer it as an option.

I believe I read a post on here, from a new CPL holder, that his card was all plastic, similar to a dtrivers license or credit card, sans the magnetic strip. I could be mistaken, and perhaps it was in a different forum, but I think it was here.


ETA: Post #69 FTW

it wasn't me... but yes... mine is all plastic, just like my drivers license...

 

[stainless1911]

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When was it issued?

 

[Bronson]

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I don't think it really has anything to do with when it was issued. It has more to do with whether or not the county wants to justify the expense for the machine. Calhoun county recently purchased the machine and for $10 we can go in and get a replacement license. They are pretty nice. A lot more durable and the pic is printed directly onto the license instead of just being held on with the laminate.

Bronson

 

[viperar15]

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stainless1911 wrote:

When was it issued?

2009... Midland County.. ;-) we know how to spend money here... lol

i think dad's original was paper/laminate... but that was back when shall issue first came to be. he's got the new plastic blue card and so does my brother.

 

[bruiser 160]

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viperar15 wrote:

stainless1911 wrote:

When was it issued?

2009... Midland County.. ;-) we know how to spend money here... lol

i think dad's original was paper/laminate... but that was back when shall issue first came to be. he's got the new plastic blue card and so does my brother.

I got my renewal in January of this year and it is the old laminated style.