warrior1978
Regular Member
Tis is what Supreme Court said in part in this case:
"Held:
1. The order to get out of the car, issued after the respondent was lawfully detained, was reasonable, and thus permissible under the Fourth Amendment."
You see, this guy was"lawfully detained" because "a large bulge under his jacket was noticed by the officer" (RAS). Therefore, order to get out of the car was permissible under Fourth Amendment. Police needs something more than just civil infraction (legally not a crime) to have RAS of a crime. Then, you can be ordered out of the car. This Supreme Court decision would not apply to just a civil infraction. So, my question stands.
No, he was lawfully detained because of the traffic stop which was for an expired plate. If you are speeding (civil infraction) and stopped, you are "detained". Detained means you are not free to leave. If you are asked to exit a vehicle during a traffic stop for a civil infraction and you fail to do so, you will be arrested for R&O, resist and obstruct.
Further, here is a quote from a Michigan Appeals Court decision. Michigan v. Chapo 2009.
A police officer may order occupants to get out of a vehicle, pending the completion of a
traffic stop, without violating the Fourth Amendment’s proscription against unreasonable
searches and seizures. Pennsylvania v Mimms, 434 US 106, 111; 98 S Ct 330; 54 L Ed 2d 331
(1977); Maryland v Wilson, 519 US 408, 414-415; 117 S Ct 882; 137 L Ed 2d 41 (1997).
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