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Milwaukee Tea Party this Saturday September 19th
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hugh jarmis
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This picture was about 3:30 People were still pouring in at that point, I left shortly after.
This picture was about 3:30 People were still pouring in at that point, I left shortly after.
J.Gleason
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Nice photos, but it doesn't look like the thousands of people that the media stated there was.
To bad we couldn't go back to the good ole days when news media would be shut down for yellow journalism.
Nice photos, but it doesn't look like the thousands of people that the media stated there was.
To bad we couldn't go back to the good ole days when news media would be shut down for yellow journalism.
hugh jarmis
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James...
Everyone on the forum knows you have wet-nursed yourself up to Mark Todd. Thats fine.
There are many people here who's vote has not yet been EARNED.
Having said that, your penchant to run lead block for "Mark Todd" seems to cloud your judgement and ability to be rational. Anything that doesn't have "mark todd" stamped on it, you come out bashing.
Read what I wrote dummy... I was there VERY early. At 3:45 when I left people were still POURING in. When I left at 3:45 (it was suppose to start at 3, but there was so many people waiting to get in they delayed the start) traffic was still backed up from LMD to the Marquette interchange.
The largest crowds were after I left.
Having said that, JAMES, the movement speaks for itself. The THOUSANDS of people there have something to say about their government. I'm happy to let the event stand on its own merits. (of course if I were you, I'd start 3 or 4 more separate posts on the SAME topic trying to drum up support for it, but it just doesn't need that kind of tactic)
James...
Everyone on the forum knows you have wet-nursed yourself up to Mark Todd. Thats fine.
There are many people here who's vote has not yet been EARNED.
Having said that, your penchant to run lead block for "Mark Todd" seems to cloud your judgement and ability to be rational. Anything that doesn't have "mark todd" stamped on it, you come out bashing.
Read what I wrote dummy... I was there VERY early. At 3:45 when I left people were still POURING in. When I left at 3:45 (it was suppose to start at 3, but there was so many people waiting to get in they delayed the start) traffic was still backed up from LMD to the Marquette interchange.
The largest crowds were after I left.
Having said that, JAMES, the movement speaks for itself. The THOUSANDS of people there have something to say about their government. I'm happy to let the event stand on its own merits. (of course if I were you, I'd start 3 or 4 more separate posts on the SAME topic trying to drum up support for it, but it just doesn't need that kind of tactic)
pvtschultz
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Mark Todd isn't even mentioned by Charlie Sykes or Jeff Wagner in the Milwaukee market. Heck, I don't even think that the Journal-Sentinal knows that he is running for governor.
Support whomever you will in the primary. That is your choice, and as of today, America is still a mostly free nation. Come next November, it is my opinion that every freedom loving Americanneeds tovote for the most viable candidate which supports the vast majority of their views. Open carry is just one facet of the Second Amendment and Article I, Section 25. Gun rights are just one of my many viewpoints as a conservative American. The others; including small government, right to life, and personal responsiblity among others,are shared by many others. Those older voters that stay home during the 2008 elections handed Obama a victory. He only got what, 52% of the vote? While he was the first to get a majority in a long while, the many who decided that since they didn't agree with some of McCains views decided to choose (by not voting) that Obama should be president even though they wouldn't otherwise vote for him. Writing in and voting for marginal third parties, while a statement, is a waste of a vote IMO. Until there is a real multi-party political process in America (if ever), we need to vote for the best candidate on the ballot. Even if that means voting for the lesser of two evils. Because, not voting will end up giving you the worst of the two, just like we are living with now.
Mark Todd isn't even mentioned by Charlie Sykes or Jeff Wagner in the Milwaukee market. Heck, I don't even think that the Journal-Sentinal knows that he is running for governor.
Support whomever you will in the primary. That is your choice, and as of today, America is still a mostly free nation. Come next November, it is my opinion that every freedom loving Americanneeds tovote for the most viable candidate which supports the vast majority of their views. Open carry is just one facet of the Second Amendment and Article I, Section 25. Gun rights are just one of my many viewpoints as a conservative American. The others; including small government, right to life, and personal responsiblity among others,are shared by many others. Those older voters that stay home during the 2008 elections handed Obama a victory. He only got what, 52% of the vote? While he was the first to get a majority in a long while, the many who decided that since they didn't agree with some of McCains views decided to choose (by not voting) that Obama should be president even though they wouldn't otherwise vote for him. Writing in and voting for marginal third parties, while a statement, is a waste of a vote IMO. Until there is a real multi-party political process in America (if ever), we need to vote for the best candidate on the ballot. Even if that means voting for the lesser of two evils. Because, not voting will end up giving you the worst of the two, just like we are living with now.
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i can back hugh up on that.. i was a latecomer (very late; traffic was horrible) and the park was FILLED.
i forgot to bring my phone so i didnt get any pictures.. even i was surprised at how many people showed! its great to see that some people still value what this country was based on.
i can back hugh up on that.. i was a latecomer (very late; traffic was horrible) and the park was FILLED.
i forgot to bring my phone so i didnt get any pictures.. even i was surprised at how many people showed! its great to see that some people still value what this country was based on.
hugh jarmis
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Kancho, welcome to the forum.
I can assure you that every time a guy comes around the board and starts talking nonsense out of his ass, I'm going to take issue with it.
If that amounts to bickering, I'm sorry. It beats the hell out of saying nothign and letting him spread mis-information around.
Its become clear to me that James is a self-interested paranoid delusional kook up in Chilton.
I have no problem that he has a man-crush on Mark Todd who's only freedom-supporting position is the 2nd Amendment.
I have no problem that James starts multiple posts on the exact same event trying to drum up supportcheerleading for Mark Todd.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/30548.html
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/31594.html
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/31608.html
I don't even have a problem with the fact that James misleads people calling the Appleton event a: "This is an appreciation night for those who love and support the 2nd Amendment"
When the reality is, if its an "appreciation night" for those who love and support the 2nd amendment, WHY do you have to buy $25 tickets which goes to the "mark todd for governor" campaign?
Hey, I don't have a problem if James wants to 'spin' this fundraising event and leverage people's support of the 2nd amendment to raise money for a candidate for governor who only supports 1 freedom.
But what I do have, is a problem if after ALL that bs, james is gonna come the ONE thread I start about a FREE event where 15 or so speakers are coming to talk about the usurpation of power and perpetuation of socialism by our government and start misrepresenting facts.
I do have a problem with that.
I have a problem that james MISREPRESENTED that this was a Scott Walker event. IT WAS NOT.
I DO have a problem that james claims there were not thousands of people at the event. THERE WERE THAT AND THEN SOME.
Yes, in the name of "not bickering" we could acquiese and let the liars have the stage. But I think freedom is better served by standing up to liars and misinformation.
Kancho, welcome to the forum.
I can assure you that every time a guy comes around the board and starts talking nonsense out of his ass, I'm going to take issue with it.
If that amounts to bickering, I'm sorry. It beats the hell out of saying nothign and letting him spread mis-information around.
Its become clear to me that James is a self-interested paranoid delusional kook up in Chilton.
I have no problem that he has a man-crush on Mark Todd who's only freedom-supporting position is the 2nd Amendment.
I have no problem that James starts multiple posts on the exact same event trying to drum up supportcheerleading for Mark Todd.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/30548.html
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/31594.html
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/31608.html
I don't even have a problem with the fact that James misleads people calling the Appleton event a: "This is an appreciation night for those who love and support the 2nd Amendment"
When the reality is, if its an "appreciation night" for those who love and support the 2nd amendment, WHY do you have to buy $25 tickets which goes to the "mark todd for governor" campaign?
Hey, I don't have a problem if James wants to 'spin' this fundraising event and leverage people's support of the 2nd amendment to raise money for a candidate for governor who only supports 1 freedom.
But what I do have, is a problem if after ALL that bs, james is gonna come the ONE thread I start about a FREE event where 15 or so speakers are coming to talk about the usurpation of power and perpetuation of socialism by our government and start misrepresenting facts.
I do have a problem with that.
I have a problem that james MISREPRESENTED that this was a Scott Walker event. IT WAS NOT.
I DO have a problem that james claims there were not thousands of people at the event. THERE WERE THAT AND THEN SOME.
Yes, in the name of "not bickering" we could acquiese and let the liars have the stage. But I think freedom is better served by standing up to liars and misinformation.
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hugh, i agree with you. I guess I was just wishing this would become a new thread, if there are valid points they will be lost under the "Tea party" title of this thread.
I do tend to side with the single-issue voters even though I am not one; as the lack of a 2nd Amendment (or the guts to exercise it) makes all other rights impossible to obtain.
This is also an 'open carry' thread, so I would assume it would pertain mostly to gun laws. There just isn't a clear cookie-cutter idea of "freedoms" so I would expect fights over what we 'should' do. We dont all have the same priorities.
This thread should be locked and if the fight over issues or how many people were at the tea party, about Walker or friggin' OPRAH should continue, it should be in a new thread.
hugh, i agree with you. I guess I was just wishing this would become a new thread, if there are valid points they will be lost under the "Tea party" title of this thread.
I do tend to side with the single-issue voters even though I am not one; as the lack of a 2nd Amendment (or the guts to exercise it) makes all other rights impossible to obtain.
This is also an 'open carry' thread, so I would assume it would pertain mostly to gun laws. There just isn't a clear cookie-cutter idea of "freedoms" so I would expect fights over what we 'should' do. We dont all have the same priorities.
This thread should be locked and if the fight over issues or how many people were at the tea party, about Walker or friggin' OPRAH should continue, it should be in a new thread.
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Its the only way. Single issue voters got us into the problem we are in today. People were willing to throw their vote behind a candidate that promised them their "pet issue" and left the rest of our rights scattered on the side of the road.
If I want 2 gay guys living in the 3rd Ward to support my uninfringed right to keep and bear arms, I HAVE to support their right to equality as far as our government is concerned for their 'partner' status. (that doesn't mean I think they should get handouts from the government, I think in the eyes of the government all people are equal)
In my opinion if people really want to advance gun rights, they will recognize that they should advance all rights. Freedom breeds freedom. Standing up for your neighbors rights is standing up for your own.
Cherry picking the rights to support brands you a hypocrite and will just cause others to feel justified in cherry-picking the rights they choose to support. The last 70 or 80 years of electoral process in this country has demonstrated as such.
I also think discussion of the thousands of people who were at the tea party is perfectly applicable to THIS thread which I started about the tea party.
As for issues front and center at the tea-party. Equally valid in a thread about the tea party.
Lastly... As far as internet forums go, most topics evolve in different directions from the original. This particular tea party is over. What is left but to talk about it, and hash out the very topics that the tea party was all about?
I think thats part of the problem. If I want someone to support the rights that I think are important (which is actually all of them) then I MUST be willing to support the rights others think are important.
Its the only way. Single issue voters got us into the problem we are in today. People were willing to throw their vote behind a candidate that promised them their "pet issue" and left the rest of our rights scattered on the side of the road.
If I want 2 gay guys living in the 3rd Ward to support my uninfringed right to keep and bear arms, I HAVE to support their right to equality as far as our government is concerned for their 'partner' status. (that doesn't mean I think they should get handouts from the government, I think in the eyes of the government all people are equal)
In my opinion if people really want to advance gun rights, they will recognize that they should advance all rights. Freedom breeds freedom. Standing up for your neighbors rights is standing up for your own.
Cherry picking the rights to support brands you a hypocrite and will just cause others to feel justified in cherry-picking the rights they choose to support. The last 70 or 80 years of electoral process in this country has demonstrated as such.
Well, first, I'm sure the moderators will take your comment into consideration. I'm sure that in your 4 posts here they will appreciate your suggestions about how the forum should be run and how to moderate threads.
I also think discussion of the thousands of people who were at the tea party is perfectly applicable to THIS thread which I started about the tea party.
As for issues front and center at the tea-party. Equally valid in a thread about the tea party.
Lastly... As far as internet forums go, most topics evolve in different directions from the original. This particular tea party is over. What is left but to talk about it, and hash out the very topics that the tea party was all about?
J.Gleason
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hugh jarmis wrote:
There is no need to worry about Scott Walker, his incompetence will speak for it's self.
Your problem is you are stuck in your own little world down there in Milwaukee county and you don't realize that most people outside Milwaukee county have no intention of voting for this retard.
Ever really listen to Walker? "The Economy is my #1 Concern", " Taxes are my #1 Concern", " Health Care is my #1 Concern." This guy has so many #1 Concerns, I don't think he knows what number comes next.
He is Anti Gun, Anti Union, Anti Public service and Anti Blue Collar, Gee who is left to vote for him in this state..... Oh yeah the rich minority.
You can go on being brainwashed forever, I really don't care.
"Read what I wrote dummy"....... WOW! what an educated remark!
If you believe what the retard has to say so much, why didn't you stay to listen to him?
hugh jarmis wrote:
Yeah well your insults and intimidation might mean something to some one else, but not to me. Your not going to bully me into being one of your sheep that follow everything you say and take your word for the gospel.
There is no need to worry about Scott Walker, his incompetence will speak for it's self.
Your problem is you are stuck in your own little world down there in Milwaukee county and you don't realize that most people outside Milwaukee county have no intention of voting for this retard.
Ever really listen to Walker? "The Economy is my #1 Concern", " Taxes are my #1 Concern", " Health Care is my #1 Concern." This guy has so many #1 Concerns, I don't think he knows what number comes next.
He is Anti Gun, Anti Union, Anti Public service and Anti Blue Collar, Gee who is left to vote for him in this state..... Oh yeah the rich minority.
You can go on being brainwashed forever, I really don't care.
"Read what I wrote dummy"....... WOW! what an educated remark!
If you believe what the retard has to say so much, why didn't you stay to listen to him?
J.Gleason
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By the way Hugh remember:
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By the way Hugh remember:
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J.Gleason
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hugh jarmis wrote:
hugh jarmis wrote:
Carry On!
Interceptor_Knight
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hugh jarmis wrote:
hugh jarmis wrote:
How about extending the courtesy? Why are you insisting on posting with his first name and he is not allowed to use yours?
Constitutionalist
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In my time I have found there are generally 2 types of idiots:
Ones that are idiots, but are smart enough to realize they are idiots so they keep their thoughts to themselves.
The others are idiots, but they are such idiots they aren't even bright enough to realize it. They usually think the opposite, they think they are quite genius and have out-thought everyone else and spout off quite a bit.
Good political debate should be encouraged, name calling and insults have no place here. Even if someone is a "dummy", pointing it out will do no good.
In my time I have found there are generally 2 types of idiots:
Ones that are idiots, but are smart enough to realize they are idiots so they keep their thoughts to themselves.
The others are idiots, but they are such idiots they aren't even bright enough to realize it. They usually think the opposite, they think they are quite genius and have out-thought everyone else and spout off quite a bit.
Good political debate should be encouraged, name calling and insults have no place here. Even if someone is a "dummy", pointing it out will do no good.
hugh jarmis
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Constitutionalist wrote:
Am I the only one to notice the irony in your post.
Anyway...
I stand by what I said. As for using James name. His name is his handle. He often posts his full name in his posts. When he posts letters he's written he never redacts his name as others do. As such, I had no reason to believe he would care that I used it. In the future should I find it necessary to address him I'll use. J. Gleason so as to protect his anonymity.
Constitutionalist wrote:
Am I the only one to notice the irony in your post.
Anyway...
I stand by what I said. As for using James name. His name is his handle. He often posts his full name in his posts. When he posts letters he's written he never redacts his name as others do. As such, I had no reason to believe he would care that I used it. In the future should I find it necessary to address him I'll use. J. Gleason so as to protect his anonymity.