I realize this is a old thread, but I had a interesting run in with the police today.
Got pulled over for no front licenses plate. I was carrying concealed, it
was the first time I had been pulled over cc. I have been told it is a good idea to hand the officer your CPL with DL and insurance and registration. So on doing that he gave it back to me and said he didn't need that, and asked if I was carrying. Longer story short after him calling back up and me completely complying, he took my gun unloaded it
and put it in his car. After back up came, and I'm talking two other state cars two chips, and the sheriff himself of Thurston county, he came back to the car told me to get back in my car.
He first handed me the clip, the rounds, then told he thanked me for not having a round in the chamber because
As he said it would be illegal. And then placed my gun in the back seat of my car and said to leave immediately, you are free to go.
I told my wife as we was leaving that he just lied to me or did not actual know the law correctly.
Side note this is like my second post I think, I hope I'm doing everything right so far. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Your carry has nothing to do with a routine traffic stop, EVER! NEVER make it one unless that states laws require it. Some states require you to disclose you are armed (OK, OH, SC etc), but not so in WA, OR, ID...and most other states. You are not a member of a "special" club because you have a weapon on your person. The LEO really does not want, or need to know you are armed.
And, if you are so stupid as to inform that LEO that you are armed, you do not have to comply with any order from that officer to allow him to disarm you, or to inspect that carry unless you were stopped for suspected criminal activity. You know the adds??? "Just say NO!"
Back to the original OC without a CPL. You really need to read RCW 9.41.060 and see if you qualify to carry loade, openly, or concealed, without a CPL. Also you can OC, on your hip, unloaded (no need to lock it up) without a CPL, or an exception RCW 9.41.060. If you qualify for an exemption in RCW 9.41.060 having a CPL, or not, is irrelevant.
As for one in the pipe, why would you ever have a fire extinguisher that was not charged? For the same reasons, why would you ever carry of pistol that you could not shoot without having to cycle it first?
That officer is flat wrong telling you that you cannot carry with one in the pipe, just as he was wrong to disarm you. You know there is one word that some people need to know they can tell LE, and that word is...NO! They can only disarm you if you allow them to. Do not voluntarily allow anyone to step on your basic rights. (in this case the US 4A or WA state constitution Article 1 Section 7)
Read the
LAW, know the
LAW, abide the
LAW and do not EVER allow LE to tell you what is or is not
LAW. The are LE, (Law Enforcement) they are NOT "The Law", and they are not lawyers. The
LAW is written in something called an RCW (Revised Code of Washington) here in WA, and the RCWs are what is important...