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mark edward marchiafava wrote:
It's always been my understanding that if you don't like the way a lawmaker is doing his job, elect someone else next time. I don't trust politicians any further than I can throw them, I mentioned elected officials only because I do not expect this to be something that goes to a state-wide election, it will either pass or fail with our lawmakers. I, for one, hope that it does pass. Should it pass and if it contains the requirement that I receive a permit before I can carry openly, I am confident that I would qualify for same.
Thanks to Oklahoma's Make my Dayand Stand Your Ground laws, there is nothing reventing you from keeping and bearing arms in your own home, or on your own property. I just don't see what the fuss is all about with requiring permits, unless you have a reason to think you wouldn't otherwise qualify. To also respond to Brass Magnet, there is nothing in the OklahomaStatutes that require you to have a permit to BUY a gun, provided you are not otherwise disqualified to do so.
now, it's not only felons that do not qualify for conceal carry permits in Oklahoma, it also includes anyone under the age of 21; persons who are not United States citizens; anyone who has been adjudicated as incompetent; anyone undergoing treatment for mental illness, or having attempted suicide within the last 10 yrs; anyone convicted of the following misdemeanors: assault and battery, stalking, violation of protection order, any conviction relating to drug use or possession of drugs or domestic abuse. How do you propose to stop people falling into those groups from openly carrying? Is it right for the public to demand that those persons not be allowed to carry openly?
You guys are not looking at the big picture here, relish the small victories first, then push for the bigger ones. Push to get the open carry with a permit first (if necessary), then push to remove the permit. I was absolutely shocked 15 yrs ago when this state allowed us to start carrying a concealed weapon in public (as long as they knew who you were via permits), now we're allowed to carry them into state parks. Hopefully, God willing, we'll soonbe allowed to carry openly. With or without a permit will be up to the lawmakers. I, for one, will be happyto jump through whatever hoops the state requires in order to legally carry my weapon in public, whether that be openly or concealed.
mark edward marchiafava wrote:
Okay, excuse me, I misspoke. You do have the right to yell fire, if there actually is a fire, but FALSLY yelling fire in a theater is not protected speech, Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919), which was further narrowed by Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969) holding that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless it is directed to inciting and likely to incite imminent lawless action, i.e. causing riots. At least that's how I interpret it.Actually, you DO have the right to yell "fire."
Do you really not know that?
Depend on "elected officials" to determine what's best?
LOL, you just convinced me of how much you've yet to learn.
Hope you do, unlike most here.
It's always been my understanding that if you don't like the way a lawmaker is doing his job, elect someone else next time. I don't trust politicians any further than I can throw them, I mentioned elected officials only because I do not expect this to be something that goes to a state-wide election, it will either pass or fail with our lawmakers. I, for one, hope that it does pass. Should it pass and if it contains the requirement that I receive a permit before I can carry openly, I am confident that I would qualify for same.
Thanks to Oklahoma's Make my Dayand Stand Your Ground laws, there is nothing reventing you from keeping and bearing arms in your own home, or on your own property. I just don't see what the fuss is all about with requiring permits, unless you have a reason to think you wouldn't otherwise qualify. To also respond to Brass Magnet, there is nothing in the OklahomaStatutes that require you to have a permit to BUY a gun, provided you are not otherwise disqualified to do so.
now, it's not only felons that do not qualify for conceal carry permits in Oklahoma, it also includes anyone under the age of 21; persons who are not United States citizens; anyone who has been adjudicated as incompetent; anyone undergoing treatment for mental illness, or having attempted suicide within the last 10 yrs; anyone convicted of the following misdemeanors: assault and battery, stalking, violation of protection order, any conviction relating to drug use or possession of drugs or domestic abuse. How do you propose to stop people falling into those groups from openly carrying? Is it right for the public to demand that those persons not be allowed to carry openly?
You guys are not looking at the big picture here, relish the small victories first, then push for the bigger ones. Push to get the open carry with a permit first (if necessary), then push to remove the permit. I was absolutely shocked 15 yrs ago when this state allowed us to start carrying a concealed weapon in public (as long as they knew who you were via permits), now we're allowed to carry them into state parks. Hopefully, God willing, we'll soonbe allowed to carry openly. With or without a permit will be up to the lawmakers. I, for one, will be happyto jump through whatever hoops the state requires in order to legally carry my weapon in public, whether that be openly or concealed.