Police shooting in Everett

[Bigboreman]

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Hi all, just joined. Been reading for a while. As for Mrbiggles, I know you personnaly, and if you stop and think about it you will remember me. Mrbiggles is a member of a Neo-Nazi group that was recently investigated, but nothing really incriminating was found.

SO Mrbiggles, why don't you drop your anti american antisemetic crap and troll somewhere else.

 

[mrbiggles]

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joeroket wrote:

mrbiggles wrote:

+1

LEOs have the authority and resources of the entire govt behind them. extreme amounts of power and they know it. and they use it. even if they think they are doing "good" they still are not. all victimless crimes are unconstitutional

Hmmmm.... I didn't know we had a constitutional right to loiter on private property or to drive 140MPH down any road we choose. Your statements show just how ridiculous you really are. I think your tin hat need to be replaced.

maybe you should educate yourself

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criminal court:
are you aware of what corpus delicti is? basically it means the body of a crime. all victimless crimes are unconstitutional.

there are two elements to corpus delicti
1. specific injury
2. criminal act behind the cause of the injury

w/o corpus delicti there can be no crime.

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civil court:
standing (locus standi)? does that ring a bell? standing is the ability to demonstrate specific injury or harm from another party's actions.

there are three elements to locus standi
1. injury (suffered or will suffer)
2. causation (connection between party's that caused the injury
3. redress (court action will solve problem or give redress to injury)

w/o standing civil court has no jurisdiction in the matter. all civil court cases without victims are unconstitutional

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of course this constitutional standard has been long LONG thrown away. but that does not make it invalid. freedom is risky. but its worth it.

victimless crimes, and victimless civil actions all have no constitutional basis in american law.

ring ring schools out.

 

[mrbiggles]

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Bigboreman wrote:

Hi all, just joined. Been reading for a while. As for Mrbiggles, I know you personnaly, and if you stop and think about it you will remember me. Mrbiggles is a member of a Neo-Nazi group that was recently investigated, but nothing really incriminating was found.

SO Mrbiggles, why don't you drop your anti american antisemetic crap and troll somewhere else.

that is not true. i do not know you and i've never been to idaho and i am not a member of any group whatsoever.

im sorry you consider the constitution and declaration of independence anti-american.

 

[mrbiggles]

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http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20081110/NEWS01/711109874&SearchID=73337360459783

The three officers who were involved in the shooting arrived at the house and ordered the man standing in the doorway to put the weapon down, but the man refused to do so. The officers then opened fire, firing multiple shots at the man, said Rebecca Hover, spokeswoman for the Snohomish County Sheriff's Office.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20081119/NEWS01/711199791&SearchID=73337360459783

EVERETT -- The family of a man fatally shot by Everett police on Nov. 8 has hired a team of private attorneys to conduct an independent investigation. They also said they were frustrated by the lack of information released by police. "They've read the papers and see that there's inconsistencies," Calfo said. "Anybody who's lost a son or brother would want to know exactly what happened."

 

[joeroket]

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mrbiggles wrote:

joeroket wrote:

mrbiggles wrote:

+1

LEOs have the authority and resources of the entire govt behind them. extreme amounts of power and they know it. and they use it. even if they think they are doing "good" they still are not. all victimless crimes are unconstitutional

Hmmmm.... I didn't know we had a constitutional right to loiter on private property or to drive 140MPH down any road we choose. Your statements show just how ridiculous you really are. I think your tin hat need to be replaced.

maybe you should educate yourself

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criminal court:
are you aware of what corpus delicti is? basically it means the body of a crime. all victimless crimes are unconstitutional.

there are two elements to corpus delicti
1. specific injury
2. criminal act behind the cause of the injury

w/o corpus delicti there can be no crime.

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civil court:
standing (locus standi)? does that ring a bell? standing is the ability to demonstrate specific injury or harm from another party's actions.

there are three elements to locus standi
1. injury (suffered or will suffer)
2. causation (connection between party's that caused the injury
3. redress (court action will solve problem or give redress to injury)

w/o standing civil court has no jurisdiction in the matter. all civil court cases without victims are unconstitutional

[line]
of course this constitutional standard has been long LONG thrown away. but that does not make it invalid. freedom is risky. but its worth it.

victimless crimes, and victimless civil actions all have no constitutional basis in american law.

ring ring schools out.

Yay school is out. Im glad because no one in your class learned a damned thing or listened to your stupidity.

I'm done with this idiotic thread with people who should go live in Canada.

 

[mrbiggles]

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joeroket wrote:

mrbiggles wrote:

joeroket wrote:

mrbiggles wrote:

+1

LEOs have the authority and resources of the entire govt behind them. extreme amounts of power and they know it. and they use it. even if they think they are doing "good" they still are not. all victimless crimes are unconstitutional

Hmmmm.... I didn't know we had a constitutional right to loiter on private property or to drive 140MPH down any road we choose. Your statements show just how ridiculous you really are. I think your tin hat need to be replaced.

maybe you should educate yourself

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criminal court:
are you aware of what corpus delicti is? basically it means the body of a crime. all victimless crimes are unconstitutional.

there are two elements to corpus delicti
1. specific injury
2. criminal act behind the cause of the injury

w/o corpus delicti there can be no crime.

[line]

civil court:
standing (locus standi)? does that ring a bell? standing is the ability to demonstrate specific injury or harm from another party's actions.

there are three elements to locus standi
1. injury (suffered or will suffer)
2. causation (connection between party's that caused the injury
3. redress (court action will solve problem or give redress to injury)

w/o standing civil court has no jurisdiction in the matter. all civil court cases without victims are unconstitutional

[line]

of course this constitutional standard has been long LONG thrown away. but that does not make it invalid. freedom is risky. but its worth it.

victimless crimes, and victimless civil actions all have no constitutional basis in american law.

ring ring schools out.

Yay school is out. Im glad because no one in your class learned a damned thing or listened to your stupidity.

I'm done with this idiotic thread with people who should go live in Canada.

does anyone else find it bizarre that when people speak about US consitutional law, and liberty. people say "move to canada".

it doesn't even make sense since canada has a more authoritarian govt and socialist economic system than we do.

educate yourself loser, you are completely ignorant of the world.

 

[mrbiggles]

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http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20081129/NEWS/811290322/1001

Kaady was 27 when Officer William Bergin of Sandy Police Department and Deputy David Willard of Clackamas County Sheriff's Office shot him seven times.

When the officers encountered him, Kaady was unarmed, naked and bleeding after smashing his car on a rural road.

The lawsuit claims officers should have spoken calmly to Kaady, letting him know medical help was on the way.

"The law-enforcement officers instead treated him in a hostile manner, ordering him to lay on the hot pavement on the burned skin that was hanging off his torso, shooting him in the back with the high charges of electric shock from the taser weapons," the lawsuit states.

After being stunned, Kaady started running, eventually to the top of a patrol car, where he reportedly yelled at officers.

"When it appeared he was going to jump off the car at me, I fired," Willard said, according to a transcript of an interview he gave to investigators in 2005.

In the official police report, a detective said Kaady's behavior before the shooting may have been caused by "excited delirium," a condition associated with illegal drug use, mental illness or injury.

Kaady's family thinks his behavior was caused by the shock of being badly burned. A grand jury found no criminal wrongdoing on the part of Bergin and Willard.

Bergin, in an unrelated matter, resigned from the force last month, shortly before he was indicted on charges of identity theft, official misconduct and misuse of a license.

 

[John Hardin]

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Here, mrbiggles, let me save you some effort:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22only+one%22+site%3Awaronguns.blogspot.com

 

[mrbiggles]

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WHO RUNS THIS PLACE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clp9bd-OKqs&NR=1

 

[gretz]

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bluer1 wrote:

911Boss wrote:

On top of that, cops have about a 25-30% hit ratio in a shooting so out of 15 rounds you may only get 5 hits.

Now that's just downright sad. Someone send them to CQC training camp. I would expect better eyes closed with an uzi.

In an attempt to remedy your post from causing you further embarrassment,I want to point out that this topic is NOTrelated to your video game expertise. I'm sure you get "high score" playing your buddies on line and I don't want to take that from you.

On the other hand, if youhave knowledge of hit and miss statistics while defending your life please let me know.

 

[911Boss]

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gretz wrote:

bluer1 wrote:

911Boss wrote:

On top of that, cops have about a 25-30% hit ratio in a shooting so out of 15 rounds you may only get 5 hits.

Now that's just downright sad. Someone send them to CQC training camp. I would expect better eyes closed with an uzi.

In an attempt to remedy your post from causing you further embarrassment,I want to point out that this topic is NOTrelated to your video game expertise. I'm sure you get "high score" playing your buddies on line and I don't want to take that from you.

On the other hand, if youhave knowledge of hit and miss statistics while defending your life please let me know.

http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS- What We Didn't Know Hurt Us.pdf

 

[shad0wfax]

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911Boss wrote:

http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS-%20What%20We%20Didn't%20Know%20Hurt%20Us.pdf

That was a fascinating read. Thank you for posting that.

 

[bigswedegml]

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Back to the original subject. Does anybody know what the end result was of the investigation?

 

[bluer1]

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gretz wrote:

bluer1 wrote:

911Boss wrote:

On top of that, cops have about a 25-30% hit ratio in a shooting so out of 15 rounds you may only get 5 hits.

Now that's just downright sad. Someone send them to CQC training camp. I would expect better eyes closed with an uzi.

In an attempt to remedy your post from causing you further embarrassment,I want to point out that this topic is NOTrelated to your video game expertise. I'm sure you get "high score" playing your buddies on line and I don't want to take that from you.

On the other hand, if youhave knowledge of hit and miss statistics while defending your life please let me know.

I apologize, I've only done a few tours in Afghanistan, been through CCTT/CQC (with pistol qual. I might add) Forced entry training, shot at in combat (quite a bit) and reacted in kind. Furthermore, how dare you insult my video game skills!

 

[ChuckUFarley]

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mrbiggles wrote:

WHO RUNS THIS PLACE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clp9bd-OKqs&NR=1

Damn, yup the police were justified in that one, do you hear them say stop fighting, stop fighting as they arebeating this guy.

Remember that kid who was in a coma and the cops tazed him like 19 times, i bet the whole time they were yelling at him to stop resisting.

 

[ChuckUFarley]

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bigswedegml wrote:

Back to the original subject. Does anybody know what the end result was of the investigation?

I'd like to know myself, i havent seen any of the news outlets even talk about it.

 

[SlacK]

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constitutional rights are as meaningless as any natural undeniable human right.
rights mean nothing power means everything.

 

[FMCDH]

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SlacK wrote:

constitutional rights are as meaningless as any natural undeniable human right.
rights mean nothing power means everything.

Is that a gripe or a personal philosophy?

 

[cynicist]

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constitutional rights are as meaningless as any natural undeniable human right. rights mean nothing power means everything.

That's not philosophy, that's the way things work.
And as such, we, the people, should bear arms to keep rights in the interest of the people.

A right can be denied by anyone with the power to do so. If you lack any power to challenge it, you lost your right.

If this happens on a broad enough scale, we'll lose most of our rights.

Bear arms.