PT111
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Sadly this thread seems to have turned more into LEO bashing than anything else but that was expected from the beginning. There are a couple of things that everyone needs to consider about the right of this owner to throw anyone out. I have seen lots of posts saying that if a business opens it doors to anyone to come in at any time then they have to follow different rules than a private business and they have a good argument. Lets look at the different types of business possibilities:
The one who works at home and occasionally has clients visit (Web Designer)
The one who has a business that is primarily by appointment but owns the building (Lawyer) or maybe leases the office space.
The Mom and Pop store that they own the building and run the business
The store that is privately owned but is managed by someone else (A second resturant run by the owners son)
The Corporate owned stores (Starbucks)
At what level do we say that they have the right to ask a customer to leave? Who can make the decision to run the customer out? Where do our rights end and theirs start? There are lots of questions and I am not sure where the store in the OP falls in the list. Either way I think we all agree, or should agree, that private property owners have certain rights and can ask someone to leave. But what exactly is private property? Are Wal-Marts private property, most Wal-Marts are on leased property, and can they run you out and if so who can?
I think we need to stop the cop bashing as I don't thing the article said why he was asked to leave but we all assumed something. What if the cop had been black (he may have bee for all I know) and declared he was asked to leave because of race. Yes there are some bad cops out there and there are some bad OC's out there as well. There are also some BS artists that put out opinions and statistics solely to inflame and promote their own cause.
I think the shop owner, or whoever he was, had the absolute right to ask the cop or whoever else to leave. I also think that if a waitress had the full supportand instructions fromthe owner/manager and she asked him to leave she had that right and the cop should leave.
I am sure that we all are pretty much on the same side here but we do fight about the details and wording too much. We are also very opinionated about things and get carried away and sometimes angrywhen someone questions anything we say. After over50 years of experience in the work place I have found that if you want to really upset someone just ask them to justify something and they have never even thought about why they are doing it. They have all kinds of answers but usually they have nothing to do with the question. This is easily seen in the police or anyone they stop and question.
Sadly this thread seems to have turned more into LEO bashing than anything else but that was expected from the beginning. There are a couple of things that everyone needs to consider about the right of this owner to throw anyone out. I have seen lots of posts saying that if a business opens it doors to anyone to come in at any time then they have to follow different rules than a private business and they have a good argument. Lets look at the different types of business possibilities:
The one who works at home and occasionally has clients visit (Web Designer)
The one who has a business that is primarily by appointment but owns the building (Lawyer) or maybe leases the office space.
The Mom and Pop store that they own the building and run the business
The store that is privately owned but is managed by someone else (A second resturant run by the owners son)
The Corporate owned stores (Starbucks)
At what level do we say that they have the right to ask a customer to leave? Who can make the decision to run the customer out? Where do our rights end and theirs start? There are lots of questions and I am not sure where the store in the OP falls in the list. Either way I think we all agree, or should agree, that private property owners have certain rights and can ask someone to leave. But what exactly is private property? Are Wal-Marts private property, most Wal-Marts are on leased property, and can they run you out and if so who can?
I think we need to stop the cop bashing as I don't thing the article said why he was asked to leave but we all assumed something. What if the cop had been black (he may have bee for all I know) and declared he was asked to leave because of race. Yes there are some bad cops out there and there are some bad OC's out there as well. There are also some BS artists that put out opinions and statistics solely to inflame and promote their own cause.
I think the shop owner, or whoever he was, had the absolute right to ask the cop or whoever else to leave. I also think that if a waitress had the full supportand instructions fromthe owner/manager and she asked him to leave she had that right and the cop should leave.
I am sure that we all are pretty much on the same side here but we do fight about the details and wording too much. We are also very opinionated about things and get carried away and sometimes angrywhen someone questions anything we say. After over50 years of experience in the work place I have found that if you want to really upset someone just ask them to justify something and they have never even thought about why they are doing it. They have all kinds of answers but usually they have nothing to do with the question. This is easily seen in the police or anyone they stop and question.
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