ConditionThree
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rockblaster wrote:
That is a possibility. Butyour 'probability'has not been proven in excersize. In both recorded events of police interaction, neither myself or the other participant was held at gunpoint. Neither of us was thrown to the ground as a 'felony' stop. In both cases we were detained briefly and released still in possession of our firearms.
It seems to me, that police are far more concerned with hidden weapons and furtive movement that ones carried openly in a belt holster. I think that they can deduce that most criminals really dont want to be noticed, and would secret their weapon away in their waistband- not carry it in plain view in an appropriate holster.
Carrying open invites a well organized criminal to disarm you as well as beat you with your own weapon after he slips it out of your holster.
Well organized criminal? I think you meant opportunistic criminal... as 'organized' criminals dont really need my weapon, they already have their own. If you review our accounts of how we carry, you will note that none of us is very casual about our surroundings. Personally, I take a great deal of caution about who approaches me and where I position myself. Additionally, I carry my weapon in a level three retention holster- had you reviewed my contact with local police, you would have known that even with instruction, the officer took several tries to remove my weapon from my holster.
In order to do this you should be formally trained ( Gunsite, Thunder ranch, DF Training, etc) and then practice constantly.
And what? Get a piece of paper that says you're competent to defend yourself with a firearm? Im not knocking training and practice, but youre telling me that Ihave a choice betweenbeing formally trained to defend my life or wait for someone qualified to come to my rescue. I reject that choice out of hand- because my inherent right to self-defense does not come with a competency stipulation.
Tell me- if your home or workplace caught fire and you had access to a fire extinguisher or fire hose would you wait for someone qualified to come put out the fire, because you werent 'certified'?
I believe anyone who can carry, should- lest they sit around and watch their 'house' burn to the ground, waiting for the cavalry.
rockblaster wrote:
[T]here are many LE profesionals [sic]that may see you with a firearm and consider you a danger to themselves and a threat to unarmed citizens. With that in mind they will probably draw their weapons and put you on the ground.I realize that what you are all doing is an experiment to exercise your second amendment rights. However, there are many LE profesionals that may see you with a firearm and consider you a danger to themselves and a threat to unarmed citizens. With that in mind they will probably draw their weapons and put you on the ground. You will then retain an attorney and even if you are in the right it will cost you thousands of dollars to prove it. I believe there are 57 district attorneys in the state of Kallifonia and all will interprite the law differently. This mimmics the off list lower crowd of which I am one. The other problem is the reasoning for actually carrying a firearm on a daily basis which is self defense. An unloaded weapon is as useless in a gunfight as a pearl neckless. Yes I carried for 10 years without authorization but it was necessary. I was a licensed blaster and carried up to 2000 lbs of explosives to blast sights from my magazines but was unable to secure a gun permit. I got my yearly explosives permit from Fresno County Sheriff internal affairs dept., the same dept. that would issue a gun permit. When Sheriff Pierce took over they actually called me to ask if I still wanted a CCW. If you carry concealed and do it right no one would know any more than if you were carrying a wallet. Carrying open invites a well organized criminal to disarm you as well as beat you with your own weapon after he slips it out of your holster. The reason for carry is to defend your life. In order to do this you should be formally trained ( Gunsite, Thunder ranch, DF Training, etc) and then practice constantly. Most gunfights are over in a couple of seconds. I do not mean to insult any of you but I go through three day training courses every couple of months and this is what I am taught. If we are not able to engage a target at the sound of the timer from hands at our sides at 5 yards in 1.2 seconds we get drilled until we can. We are drilled in all 3 types of malmunctions and timed for these as well. I am very serious about the responsibility of carrying a firearm.
That is a possibility. Butyour 'probability'has not been proven in excersize. In both recorded events of police interaction, neither myself or the other participant was held at gunpoint. Neither of us was thrown to the ground as a 'felony' stop. In both cases we were detained briefly and released still in possession of our firearms.
It seems to me, that police are far more concerned with hidden weapons and furtive movement that ones carried openly in a belt holster. I think that they can deduce that most criminals really dont want to be noticed, and would secret their weapon away in their waistband- not carry it in plain view in an appropriate holster.
Carrying open invites a well organized criminal to disarm you as well as beat you with your own weapon after he slips it out of your holster.
Well organized criminal? I think you meant opportunistic criminal... as 'organized' criminals dont really need my weapon, they already have their own. If you review our accounts of how we carry, you will note that none of us is very casual about our surroundings. Personally, I take a great deal of caution about who approaches me and where I position myself. Additionally, I carry my weapon in a level three retention holster- had you reviewed my contact with local police, you would have known that even with instruction, the officer took several tries to remove my weapon from my holster.
In order to do this you should be formally trained ( Gunsite, Thunder ranch, DF Training, etc) and then practice constantly.
And what? Get a piece of paper that says you're competent to defend yourself with a firearm? Im not knocking training and practice, but youre telling me that Ihave a choice betweenbeing formally trained to defend my life or wait for someone qualified to come to my rescue. I reject that choice out of hand- because my inherent right to self-defense does not come with a competency stipulation.
Tell me- if your home or workplace caught fire and you had access to a fire extinguisher or fire hose would you wait for someone qualified to come put out the fire, because you werent 'certified'?
I believe anyone who can carry, should- lest they sit around and watch their 'house' burn to the ground, waiting for the cavalry.