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School Makes Boy Take American Flag Off Bike

zack991

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In all seriousness, can California just break off into the damn Pacific already?

Better yet we ship every nutty liberal to china for the rest of their lives since they love how china works so perfectly
Simple if you don't like the American flag for what it stands for, then feel free to get the hell out and never look back because people like this are not wanted.
 
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I'd like to speak up for the kid.

He is acting more maturely than anyone else in this situation. Until the matter is resolved, he is going to fly the flag on the way to school and the way home. During school hours, he is going to fold and store the flag. Meanwhile, they are going to talk to administrators to resolve the situation. The kid was raised well.

I have no doubt that the school has no reasonable justification (or even an unreasonable rule in place) for barring this flag. It shouldn't even get to the lawsuit point before the school backs down.

BTW, what complaints???? Who could have possibly complained about the flag??? On what grounds can you possible complain about a small American flag flown from the back of a bike???

Maybe he is taking the flag off the bike while it is parked at the school as a way to protect it from vandals while he is not present.--- just a thought!
 

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Better yet we ship every nutty liberal to china for the rest of their lives since they love how china works so perfectly
Simple if you don't like the American flag for what it stands for, then feel free to get the hell out and never look back because people like this are not wanted.

Guess what, Zack?

If it weren't for us "nutty liberals" the kid would have no right to fly his flag at school.

I think that I will fly my flag in the good old USA, thank you!
 

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It was due to sane liberals, from back when liberals were pro-Liberty. I prefer to use the term Progressive to refer to today's pro-big-government-control-the-people liberals. Many of them would side with whoever was "offended" by the flag. We need rules to make sure we are responsive to the feelings of others. :rolleyes:
 

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It was due to sane liberals, from back when liberals were pro-Liberty. I prefer to use the term Progressive to refer to today's pro-big-government-control-the-people liberals. Many of them would side with whoever was "offended" by the flag. We need rules to make sure we are responsive to the feelings of others. :rolleyes:

Us liberals, my friend, are still pro-liberty.

"Progressives" are people who are pro-progress.

It is best to use words that describe people the way the people who are described by the words use them.
 

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Us liberals, my friend, are still pro-liberty.

"Progressives" are people who are pro-progress.

It is best to use words that describe people the way the people who are described by the words use them.



They want the government to progress toward socialistic/communistic way of governing.

Not all progress is good.
 

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Us liberals, my friend, are still pro-liberty.

"Progressives" are people who are pro-progress.

It is best to use words that describe people the way the people who are described by the words use them.

Progressives, like Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, refer to themselves as "liberals," hence the confusion in the terms, and the disdain of pro-Liberty types for "liberals."

In my experience, folks who choose the label "liberal" (sans the "classical" qualifier) support big government, which is inherently anti-Liberty.
 

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Don't forget the many progressives in the republican party from Theodore Roosevelt down through McCain and others.

There is a movement afoot within the party to bring it back, kicking and screaming, toward being pro-Liberty and pro-Individual. The other party is blindly and deafly hurtling on an unrestricted trajectory leftward.

The way to restore this country to Liberty is to use the same methods that gave us health care and other big government, anti-Liberty programs: We need to take control of one of the parties and help it take control of the elected branches.

The majority of the erstwhile majority party were rampant [strike]liberals[/strike]...er...progressives, and, despite being a minority, controlled the country.

Which party do you think we should try to become the majority within?
 

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Us liberals, my friend, are still pro-liberty.

"Progressives" are people who are pro-progress.

It is best to use words that describe people the way the people who are described by the words use them.
No, it is best to use words that describe people the way the accepted (and applicable) definitions are used. Otherwise, groups such as the Republicans or Democrats can redefine the words to mean something other than reality.
 

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pro·gres·sive (pr-grsv)
adj.
1. Moving forward; advancing.
2. Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change.
3. Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods: a progressive politician; progressive business leadership.
4. Progressive Of or relating to a Progressive Party: the Progressive platform of 1924.
5. Of or relating to progressive education: a progressive school.
6. Increasing in rate as the taxable amount increases: a progressive income tax.
7. Pathology Tending to become more severe or wider in scope: progressive paralysis.
8. Grammar Designating a verb form that expresses an action or condition in progress.
n.
1. A person who actively favors or strives for progress toward better conditions, as in society or government.
2. Progressive A member or supporter of a Progressive Party.
3. Grammar A progressive verb form.

See? Nothing about communists or socialists, and I've got no problems with it.

If you called Teddy Roosevelt a socialist, he probably would have punched you in the eye.
 

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pro·gres·sive (pr-grsv)
n.
2. Progressive A member or supporter of a Progressive Party.

There is the most likely definition that fits the term as used here.

And "voila!" There is Teddy.

http://www.answers.com/topic/united-states-progressive-party

Follow that with: http://www.answers.com/topic/progressivism
and we find that the Progressive movement was based on adding government controls to our life to curb capitalism, and on adding social programs. "Nanny State."
 
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There is the most likely definition that fits the term as used here.

And "voila!" There is Teddy.

http://www.answers.com/topic/united-states-progressive-party

Follow that with: http://www.answers.com/topic/progressivism
and we find that the Progressive movement was based on adding government controls to our life to curb capitalism, and on adding social programs. "Nanny State."

Of course not!

The Progressive Party is a political dinosaur. Virtually all people who would be described as "progressive" by those on this board are not members, and have probably never even heard of it.

On the other hand, most self-described progressives would agree that government has a role in curbing the excesses of capitalism, and would endorse some social programs.

But so would -- I suspect -- most contributors to this board.
 

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Of course not!

The Progressive Party is a political dinosaur. Virtually all people who would be described as "progressive" by those on this board are not members, and have probably never even heard of it.

On the other hand, most self-described progressives would agree that government has a role in curbing the excesses of capitalism, and would endorse some social programs.
But so would -- I suspect -- most contributors to this board.
What do you base that upon? And are you still using the accepted definitions, or some other ones you created?

"Self-Described Progressives" should be wary of labeling themselves with a label that creates an unwanted connotation. Also, when you "curb capitalism and create social programs," you ARE moving towards collectiveism.


And you should note that the definition was not "member of THE Progressive Party," it was "member of A Progressive party.

THE Progressive Party (in the US) is defunct. That does not mean there aren't current parties that hold those same (or similar) views. And labeling yourself as a "Progressive" from a political standpoint does not equate to being for "progress."

I prefer to use the term Progressive to refer to today's pro-big-government-control-the-people liberals. Many of them would side with whoever was "offended" by the flag. We need rules to make sure we are responsive to the feelings of others. :rolleyes:
eye is very accurate with this, when compared to the historical Progressive Party.
 
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I do not "agree that government has a role in curbing the excesses of capitalism" and would not "endorse some social programs," as "most" of us OCDO contributors have been accused of doing.

Anyone else object to being painted with this broad brush?
 
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