However, instead of taking action to help, the state has come under attack by people who are misrepresenting Arizona’s laws and trying to hurt our efforts to support the rule of law.
Until now I was happy just reading the messages, but lie such as this one drove me to finally register.However, instead of taking action to help, the state has come under attack by people who are misrepresenting Arizona’s laws and trying to hurt our efforts to support the rule of law.
You mean the law that says that I must prove my citizenship to any LEO if there is suspicion that I'm in the country illegally? I'm a white guy, but I get my fair share of sun, have very dark, almost black hair and dark brown eyes, it wouldn't be a stretch for someone to conclude that I'm of Latin American decent. So what constitutes reasonable suspicion?
We all agree that constitutional rights do not apply to those in this country illegally, but what about those who are citizens. All of a sudden my constitutional rights go out the window just because some LEO can say "but your honor, he looked Mexican."
Secure the border! but do it without creating laws that grants agents of the state the right to demand to see "Papers, please!" You do it with men on the line, planes in the air and an ear to the ground. This country was founded on the principal that the ends don't necessarily justify the means. Arizona's new immigration law is a step backwards 234 years.
20 B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
37 E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON
38 IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED
39 ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.
Arguing online is like competing in the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded!
There are a number of federal laws that are unconstitutional, the federal gun free school zone for one. So, as you've been told, this is a forum for us to discuss Open Carry in the state of Nevada, take your argument to a more suitable audience. You can even tell all your friends, both of them, that you won an argument online.
I'm threw arguing with you, as I really don't give a @#$% what asinine laws your state passes until they end up in my state.
Arguing online is like competing in the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded!
I suggest you go volunteer to patrol your states southern border if you really want to make an impact on illegal immigration. Until then GTFO off our forum.
B. For any lawful contact STOP, DETENTION OR ARREST made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF ANY OTHER LAW OR ORDINANCE OF A COUNTY, CITY OR TOWN OR THIS STATE where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who AND is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have the person's immigration status determined before the person is released. The person's immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:
1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
You're right, it's not fair to elevate Mr. Mohawk to their level.do you always try to show how superior you are by making fun of disabled kids?
HOUSE BILL 2162
B. For any lawful contact STOP, DETENTION OR ARREST made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF ANY OTHER LAW OR ORDINANCE OF A COUNTY, CITY OR TOWN OR THIS STATE where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who AND is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have the person's immigration status determined before the person is released. The person's immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:
1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.
This sure makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Even if I haven't committed a crime a LEO can detain me indefinitely until I prove that I'm a citizen? Sorry but even your amended law is made of pure fail. You can not violate one god given right of a US citizen until they forfeit another god given right.
Both the original draft or the amended version are clearly in violation of section 1 of the fourteenth amendment. This law makes me want to excersize me second amendment right to do this;
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
however I have to think about this first;
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
Clearly the state that has continued to re-ellect the same idiot to the senate relentlessly since 1986 is "disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable," rather than "to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
You're right, it's not fair to elevate Mr. Mohawk to their level.do you always try to show how superior you are by making fun of disabled kids?
Supporters of this Arizona Law may not be tools of the media, but clearly they are tools of a special interest. I'm no one's tool, least of all yours!
Maybe not, but after your "retarded" statement, you have shown yourself to be a tool, none the less.I'm no one's tool, least of all yours!
If you have a better solution, present it.
If you want to secure the border, gather all the unemployed and find those who have favorable backgrounds suitable for border patrol, give them an M-4 with a combat load, Night vision, and a radio and a Camel-Bak. Tell them to stand 5 meters apart about 200 meters north of the US border. Give them instructions to shoot on sight anyone attempting to cross. Put the word out on the Mexican streets that crossing the US border illegally will be fatal.
Done, problem solved, lets go home.
I don't feel that shooting unarmed people would a good solution to... well.... anything.
That actually sounds like something I would pay money to do.I'm not talking about taking them to Tijuana either I'm talking about taking them to Mexico's southern most border and dropping them from a c130 with a parachute, a zip cord and an MRE.
You bring up AZ and then get pissy because you get a reply. Too bad. I can see that you feel so superior to regular humans that you now have the right to tell them where they can and can't be. So your lack of intelligence can't tell you that I wasn't the one to bring up AZ here, too bad. You invited a response, so get pissed at yourself. I'm wondering why you brought up AZ yourself, since it is a forum for Nevada. But stupidity knows no boundaries, as you show.There are a number of federal laws that are unconstitutional, the federal gun free school zone for one. So, as you've been told, this is a forum for us to discuss Open Carry in the state of Nevada, take your argument to a more suitable audience. You can even tell all your friends, both of them, that you won an argument online.
I'm threw arguing with you, as I really don't give a @#$% what asinine laws your state passes until they end up in my state.
Arguing online is like competing in the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded!
I suggest you go volunteer to patrol your states southern border if you really want to make an impact on illegal immigration. Until then GTFO off our forum.
Do you know what it would cost you for vegetables alone at the supermarket if american citizens where the ones working in the fields to harvest them?