dougwg
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So we'll see you at the picnic this weekend?
So we'll see you at the picnic this weekend?
Ya done good up to this point. As I've said before..never ASK if youare free to go ESTABLISH that your ARE leaving:When approached and asked to step aside, I said "no thanks". I was ordered into the isle way where I proceeded to ask if I was under arrest. No. Am I being detained? No. Then I'm free to go? As I turned to walk away. No, stay here. Then I'm being detained? Yea, I guess you are.
You're welcome! Twas nothin!Big thanks to Michigander and Veritas as well
I disagree with that for one very specific reason. If you or someone else is being stopped, (or arrested as I would call what happened to you when you were put in the car), you need to know it's lawful. If you don't, you have a right to resist. How are you to know if a cop has probable cause or reasonable suspicion if they don't tell you?That's all well and good, but I do not believe their duty to prove RAS is to us, it should be, but it isn't. It is my understanding that they only have a duty to prove RAS to a judge in the court room.
I've had this happen to me twice. Once here, once in Free America on a legit stop where the cops thought I was breaking into my own car.In these situations when pistols are given back unloaded, what would most likely happen if one reloaded it immediately before reholstering, presumably in front of the cop who just handed it back?
Good points, but my guess is that there is at least one douche bag LEO out there, probably in Warren, that would say after he gave the pistol back, the subject loaded his mag, racked the slide, and pointed the weapon in my general direction claiming self defense instead of trying to justify his bad shoot on the fact that he was just really pissed he couldn't stick schmidt on the subject.Ethan_Frome wrote:I've had this happen to me twice. Once here, once in Free America on a legit stop where the cops thought I was breaking into my own car.In these situations when pistols are given back unloaded, what would most likely happen if one reloaded it immediately before reholstering, presumably in front of the cop who just handed it back?
In FA I was carrying chambered, but here I don't, mainly because I don't trust a cop who would disarm me for no reason to understand gun safety. "Back home" I slapped the mag back in, and racked it while they were a few feet from me. At the time we were talking guns because all there were gun enthusiasts.
When it happened here, I merely slapped the mag back in as they were looking at me with disdain over the fact they had nothing on me, then I holstered.
I think it's a very clearly legal thing to do. How in the hell are you supposed to have a "right" to carry weapons do defend yourself and the state if the police can render them inoperable and order you not to restore them to proper readiness? I'd say that would be just about laughed out of court, particularly if you weren't trying to be a jackass as you reloaded.
Most cops who end up wising up enough to give your gun back probably aren't going to be that stupid to try and call that brandishing. But I suppose it could happen.
That goes for any situation when you are open carrying in Michigan. I'm a firm believer that anyone OCing, particularly on their own or in SE Michigan should have minimally 2 recorders with at least 1 hidden, and a cell phone to call for the state police and your attorney. Legal information is also nice, but not as important..I'll bring the camcorder.Someone should also have a hidden voice recorder.
I think I need to call the Chief of Warren Police and invite him to the picnic so we can have a little talk about his officers illegal action.