scot623
Regular Member
Neil, in your research of the 28 states who allow vehicle OC without a CPL, is it allowed ONLY when they are in a vehicle THEY own?
Try this version, it's simpler (changes in red, you'll have to find the deleted stuff yourself.):
Sec. 227.
(1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged non folding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business or on other land possessed by the person, or in, or on a vehicle owned, or operated by that person. This section shall not apply to any person who has a license to carry a concealed pistol issued by this state, or any other state.
(2) A person shall not carry a pistol, or any other weapon concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, or in, or on a vehicle owned, or operated by that person without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license.
(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a civil infraction, punishable by a fine of not more than $500.00.
Neil, in your research of the 28 states who allow vehicle OC without a CPL, is it allowed ONLY when they are in a vehicle THEY own?
I agree. Any new law in Michigan that will allow possession of a loaded weapon in the car without CPL must cover any vehicle that person drives regardless of ownership status of the vehicle as relates to the person who drives such vehicle.
If this starts moving, then we are all free to voice those concerns to your rep, a committee, etc, and I would encourage people do do that.
Hey, do you still have that census stuff around? If so, I'd like to have it.
Psychological reasons?
Stipulating that a license that doesn't exist allows folks to carry weapons doesn't help since, without the license (that doesn't exist) folks won't be able to carry weapons anyway.
I applaud your and Yance's efforts......... I'm merely pointing out that the wording "licensed to carry a concealed weapon" won't work because there isn't such a license available in Michigan.
Edited to add:
Neil... please.. for the sake of clarity... use the "quote" feature????
See, this all goes back to the idea of presenting a strong bill first. You've already weakened it before we have a chance to make our calls. If most states allow OC in ANY vehicle, let's start there. Let some anti make the suggestion it be limited to the owners vehicle only.
Same with disclosure. Most states don't have disclosure. We do, and you want to make it worse. Let the anti's try to make it worse. Don't do their dirty work for them.
Before 2004 it was a CCW concealed weapon, they changed it to limit your rights. I carried other than pistols and nothing was said back then. Now I can't.... A lost right, well privilege in reality since we need to beg to carry anything.
Disclosure is a disastrous and insane law. It takes my rights and does NOTHING to protect an officer as legal carry people are never the problem, it is the criminal that is the one who shoots officers. Criminals don't obey laws. The disclosure stupidity can actually cause officers to be complacent and eventually a real criminal will take advantage of that complacency created by disclosure.
You would need a CPL for this, if Im reading it right.
(2) A person shall not carry a pistol, or any other weapon concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, or in, or on a vehicle owned, or operated by that person without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license.
(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a civil infraction, punishable by a fine of not more than $500.00.