The Obama Administration Year One: The Flight from gun control

[sudden valley gunner]

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I see those points.

Silly me to think that the anti's would value our young soldiers lives as much as ours who attend college.

 

[OCinColorado]

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Those in the schools and universities are their little indoctrinated followers, while the soldiers for the most part are mainly loyal to the Constitution!

 

[The Donkey]

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OCinColorado wrote:

Those in the schools and universities are their little indoctrinated followers, while the soldiers for the most part are mainly loyal to the Constitution!

I think thatmost of those"little indoctrinated followers" might disagree with your presumption that they are not "loyal to the Constitution."

Certainly my kids would.

 

[OCinColorado]

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The Donkey wrote:

OCinColorado wrote:

Those in the schools and universities are their little indoctrinated followers, while the soldiers for the most part are mainly loyal to the Constitution!

I think thatmost of those"little indoctrinated followers" might disagree with your presumption that they are not "loyal to the Constitution."

Certainly my kids would.

Let me re-phrase that. "For the most part, those little indoctrinated followers....."
There are always (and this is a good thing) exceptions to the rule. I meant no disrespect for your children Sir.

 

[Alexcabbie]

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JohnK87 wrote:

Ft. Hood was military, and it did result in the Dept of Defense changing policy for firearms possession on base.

Unfortunately, it was not to encourage it.

The Ft. Hood shootings didn't galvanize public opinion because they were adults and military. It will take another school shooting.

Pardon me while I :banghead:.

They already have umpteen dead kids and weepy relatives NOW. Another mass shooting of disarmed-by-antigun-policy victims would only further prove OUR point. If they could "ram through" anything, they would have done it by now. Plus, anything they do achieve in this vein will only drive another nail in the political cofffin of any politician of any party who goes along with it.

Another mass murder will instead strengthen the argument for permitting school staff and adult students to be armed on campus, which would have ended Columbine and VTech very swiftly and lessened loss of life.

Not that I am rooting for another, but in both the above cases - and at Ft. Hood - responsible parties such as parents, mental health people, and military brass dropped the ball and/or screwed the pooch.

 

[PointofView]

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How negative of everyone to speculate what the constitutional lawyer will do in regards to 2A. Where you this way about Bush when he was putting his anti 2A agenda in place?

This is political in nature as is most of the crap you sore losers speak of. Taxes are lower now than under Ronald, so the tea party forms. "Drill Baby Drill" Palin (awfully quiet these days) is pro 2A and so she gets a pass from people on these forums. Honestly I don't want her anywhere near anything I am supporting due to her pure stupidity.

All this rhetoric comes to be when a democrat is elected. Please look back to the republican house, senate and presidency that just reigned over this country and the laws they made in regards to firearms.

Also for you Obama is a socialist and wanna be Hitler people, please note that this next statements are FACT.

Bush was the most secretive president in the history of the United States.
G.W. Bush's reign as president resulted in the largest and most unprecedented expansion of presidential power in the history of all presidents.
President Bush implemented domestic spying, wiped his ass with the constitution via the Patriot Act. This act removed several rights that are afforded by the constitution. Illegal Search and Seizure. Trial by Jury.. Gone.. black bag you and take you to a secret prison, attorney client privilege.. gone, gag ordered wire taps... etc. The ACLU who gets no respect from the people of this forum, overturned much of the Patriot Act on the grounds of being unconstitutional.

So this is the part where people say well I am against all politicians. It seems like that is not true at all. It seems like people on this forum need to go ahead and read some recent history and see who is limiting your rights as citizens. This entire post was speculation on things that have not even happened yet. So that is helpful how?

Tea Party has nothing to do with Goldwater Conservatism. Regan was a bad president, and the true authoritarians are the Religious Right... The real enemy.

We don't want gay marriage.. (example of asking for limitation of rights and bigger government)

We want less government... blah blah blah.. Articles of Confederation were replaced by the Constitution to form a strong Federal Government. Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, Adams thought this through.

Basically you are a bunch of clowns creating a circus by bad mouthing the president in regards to 2A when nothing negative has been done. Turn off Glen Beck, take off the tin foil hats, you are less than patriots when you call for impeachment for a president who has done nothing wrong, talk of revolution etc.

The New Deal was supposed to be the end of days.. it worked.
Clinton's budget was supposed to be the end of days, it worked.
Healthcare.. TBD
Medicare was called socialism by Regan (republicans had house, senate, presidency and did not repeal it)
A constitutional lawyer's take on 2A rights, probably more in line with yours so shhh with your baseless speculation you do your self a disservice.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

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Oh so two wrongs make a right?

 

[Slave]

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Why are you refuting this? This forum is full of people who will hate anything Obama does not matter what.

Facts are, he has done nothing with our 2A rights, yet the members of this forum will continue to slam him as if he had.

You can't convince someone to change their mind, they have to do it.

Glenn/Rush/Ann zombies will always see Obama as the devil who wants to take all of your money, your guns and raise your taxes. Despite the fact he has done neither.

W. did.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

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Hey I saw Bush as the Evil devil too :shock:, what makes me laugh is anytime someone brings him up as a rationalization for what the current administration is doing.

Like I said two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Alexcabbie]

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I am not here speaking of anything but what Obama and his enablers will do with the 2A, which is to trash it as thoroughly as they can get away with. They would if they could and they will if they can. Changing the subject to Medicare, Palin or the Bush Administration is obfuscation of the central issue here.

On that issue, Obama and the Ratz leadership have well-established, proven records of opposing civilian posession of weapons, paricularly firearms; except under the most stringent government controls.

If you want to argue about the rest of it, there's my blog on my profile, where anonymous comments are permitted. Medicare isn't guns. (it is socialism, but it isnt guns )

 

[sevenplusone]

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Slave wrote:

Why are you refuting this? This forum is full of people who will hate anything Obama does not matter what.

Facts are, he has done nothing with our 2A rights, yet the members of this forum will continue to slam him as if he had.

You can't convince someone to change their mind, they have to do it.

Glenn/Rush/Ann zombies will always see Obama as the devil who wants to take all of your money, your guns and raise your taxes. Despite the fact he has done neither.

W. did.

The assumption that he will stems from his voting history that has been everything but friendly to 2A rights. While he has not done anything to mine personally, he certainly has done as much to Illinois.

 

[Slave]

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Alexcabbie wrote:

I am not here speaking of anything but what Obama and his enablers will do with the 2A, which is to trash it as thoroughly as they can get away with. They would if they could and they will if they can. Changing the subject to Medicare, Palin or the Bush Administration is obfuscation of the central issue here.

On that issue, Obama and the Ratz leadership have well-established, proven records of opposing civilian posession of weapons, paricularly firearms; except under the most stringent government controls.

If you want to argue about the rest of it, there's my blog on my profile, where anonymous comments are permitted. Medicare isn't guns. (it is socialism, but it isnt guns )

You are assuming he will. YouSAY he WILL, he has NOT DONE anything.

With your logic, Sara Palin with Rush Limbaugh as VP in 2012 are going to start WW3. How do I know? I don't, but I think they will, so I will slam them for it.



In the end, Obama has done nothing to our 2A rights. The issue is a black man who is not republican is now president. Butt hurt repubs are out of the woodworks. Hate groups are up 900%, and now people are claiming socialism, yet don't even know what that means. It is a cool foxnews term that Glen/Rush/Ann spout, so the closet racists spew it now too.



Jobs are rebounding, stocks are rebounding, the autoindustry is rebounding, the rest of the world is starting to respect us, guns have not been effected in anyway.... SOCIALISM!!!11one!!!111one!!

 

[Alexcabbie]

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Slave wrote:

Alexcabbie wrote:

I am not here speaking of anything but what Obama and his enablers will do with the 2A, which is to trash it as thoroughly as they can get away with. They would if they could and they will if they can. Changing the subject to Medicare, Palin or the Bush Administration is obfuscation of the central issue here.

On that issue, Obama and the Ratz leadership have well-established, proven records of opposing civilian posession of weapons, paricularly firearms; except under the most stringent government controls.

If you want to argue about the rest of it, there's my blog on my profile, where anonymous comments are permitted. Medicare isn't guns. (it is socialism, but it isnt guns )

You are assuming he will. YouSAY he WILL, he has NOT DONE anything.

With your logic, Sara Palin with Rush Limbaugh as VP in 2012 are going to start WW3. How do I know? I don't, but I think they will, so I will slam them for it.



In the end, Obama has done nothing to our 2A rights. The issue is a black man who is not republican is now president. Butt hurt repubs are out of the woodworks. Hate groups are up 900%, and now people are claiming socialism, yet don't even know what that means. It is a cool foxnews term that Glen/Rush/Ann spout, so the closet racists spew it now too.



Jobs are rebounding, stocks are rebounding, the autoindustry is rebounding, the rest of the world is starting to respect us, guns have not been effected in anyway.... SOCIALISM!!!11one!!!111one!!

Horsecrap. Troll.

 

[Slave]

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Alexcabbie wrote:

Slave wrote:

Alexcabbie wrote:

I am not here speaking of anything but what Obama and his enablers will do with the 2A, which is to trash it as thoroughly as they can get away with. They would if they could and they will if they can. Changing the subject to Medicare, Palin or the Bush Administration is obfuscation of the central issue here.

On that issue, Obama and the Ratz leadership have well-established, proven records of opposing civilian posession of weapons, paricularly firearms; except under the most stringent government controls.

If you want to argue about the rest of it, there's my blog on my profile, where anonymous comments are permitted. Medicare isn't guns. (it is socialism, but it isnt guns )

You are assuming he will. YouSAY he WILL, he has NOT DONE anything.

With your logic, Sara Palin with Rush Limbaugh as VP in 2012 are going to start WW3. How do I know? I don't, but I think they will, so I will slam them for it.



In the end, Obama has done nothing to our 2A rights. The issue is a black man who is not republican is now president. Butt hurt repubs are out of the woodworks. Hate groups are up 900%, and now people are claiming socialism, yet don't even know what that means. It is a cool foxnews term that Glen/Rush/Ann spout, so the closet racists spew it now too.



Jobs are rebounding, stocks are rebounding, the autoindustry is rebounding, the rest of the world is starting to respect us, guns have not been effected in anyway.... SOCIALISM!!!11one!!!111one!!

Horsecrap.

I know!! It's total horsecrap. Again, remind me, what other president did CNN track his first 100 days?

Oh yeah, that would be none.

Are you saying that the fact that he has done nothing to gun rights is horsecrap? There is plenty of proof that he is in fact leaving guns alone thus far. The Brady's are pissed about it, this very forum has this fact posted.

Are you saying that jobs are moving up? Go to your foxnews, or to CNN, they have the articles.

Ford posted a PROFIT of several billion, or is that also a lie?

Every news outlet shows that our taxes are lower.

The blackie is getting it done, this racist country hates it.

Again, what has Obama done to our 2A rights? That's what I care about. He hasn't touched them. That's what matters to me.

I can edit too: Troll.

 

[Alexcabbie]

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Slave wrote:

Alexcabbie wrote:

Slave wrote:

Alexcabbie wrote:

I am not here speaking of anything but what Obama and his enablers will do with the 2A, which is to trash it as thoroughly as they can get away with. They would if they could and they will if they can. Changing the subject to Medicare, Palin or the Bush Administration is obfuscation of the central issue here.

On that issue, Obama and the Ratz leadership have well-established, proven records of opposing civilian posession of weapons, paricularly firearms; except under the most stringent government controls.

If you want to argue about the rest of it, there's my blog on my profile, where anonymous comments are permitted. Medicare isn't guns. (it is socialism, but it isnt guns )

You are assuming he will. YouSAY he WILL, he has NOT DONE anything.

With your logic, Sara Palin with Rush Limbaugh as VP in 2012 are going to start WW3. How do I know? I don't, but I think they will, so I will slam them for it.



In the end, Obama has done nothing to our 2A rights. The issue is a black man who is not republican is now president. Butt hurt repubs are out of the woodworks. Hate groups are up 900%, and now people are claiming socialism, yet don't even know what that means. It is a cool foxnews term that Glen/Rush/Ann spout, so the closet racists spew it now too.



Jobs are rebounding, stocks are rebounding, the autoindustry is rebounding, the rest of the world is starting to respect us, guns have not been effected in anyway.... SOCIALISM!!!11one!!!111one!!

Horsecrap.

I know!! It's total horsecrap. Again, remind me, what other president did CNN track his first 100 days?

Oh yeah, that would be none.

Are you saying that the fact that he has done nothing to gun rights is horsecrap? There is plenty of proof that he is in fact leaving guns alone thus far. The Brady's are pissed about it, this very forum has this fact posted.

Are you saying that jobs are moving up? Go to your foxnews, or to CNN, they have the articles.

Ford posted a PROFIT of several billion, or is that also a lie?

Every news outlet shows that our taxes are lower.

The blackie is getting it done, this racist country hates it.

Again, what has Obama done to our 2A rights? That's what I care about. He hasn't touched them. That's what matters to me.

I can edit too: Troll.

Ford posted a profit because they did not take the poison apple of a bailout. Chrysler and Government Motors are bragging that they paid their loans off "on time and in full", but they paid in stock in the companies, which is basically worthless.

The economy is improving largely because of the hope of Obama and his handlers getting a nice big check thrown on them in November.

Lower taxes? That would be the "Bush tax cut" set to expire soon.

Getting it done? I'll say. Bowing to foreign princes, snubbing and insulting our allies, revealing top secret information about our SIOP and nuke stockpiles, screwing things up like crazy. If he is doing so much good, how come his polls are in the toilet?

And then you start yammering about people who don't like Obama being "racist". You are a classic Leftist troll: you use "SIN" - Switch the subject, Ignore the facts, and Name-call.


Plus, the classic signs of a forum troll on OCDO: Recent membership and no posting on the tech threads discussing your weapons or seeking advice on mattters of maintenance and cleaning, etc. You have posted a location, but that's no guarantee it's true.

Anyway sorry ACORN got defunded and left you with nothing to do but rant about all the racists here and insult us all. Why don't you look for a job?

Unwatch topic.

 

[eye95]

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Slave,

Do you believe in the Second Amendment? Do you believe that we have the right to carry a firearm openly?

 

[DanM]

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Slave wrote:

The blackie is getting it done, this racist country hates it.

America is not a racist country. We have a lot of individuals, of all colors, who suffer from the insanity of racism, but we arenot a racist country. All other countries have racism as a problem to deal with, and America is foremost in theworld at dealing with the problem.

Other people of all races around the world recognize, in fact, that America is the least racist of any country, and that is why we have millions of immigrants each year doing whatever they can,even at peril to their lives, to get into this country. They know it is the least racist of any country and offers the most opportunity to anyone, regardless of race.

I'm aware this is an OT response to your OT comment, and normally I let OT comments slide by without responding, but this particular comment of yours paints an entire country, and by proxy itscitizens including me, with a heinous label that is completely undeserved. Before you attempt to respond with something like "Well, Obama is being labeled undeservedly, too", know that thatis fully inadequate in justifying labeling America and Americans on the whole the way you did.

If you want to retain any shred of credibility whatsoeveraround here, I suggest you refrain from untrueblanket statements about the entire US and itscitizenry.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

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I see the future and am guessing it won't be long before this thread is locked.

Of course the skyrocketing sales of guns and ammo,and the immediate uprising of folks trying to protect their second ammendment rights had nothing to do with Obama's decision to leaveit alone. (sarcasm)

His history has been one against guns and for more gun contol, ask his home state and city. Look at his voting record as a senator. If a man has a history of burgalry in a different neighborhood or you going to not lock your doors because he hasn't done it "yet" in your neighborhood.

Him being a black man has nothing to do with it. Straw argument, and a way to try instantly demonize those who oppose him and frankly, disturbing.

Ford the only U.S. company that turned away tax dollars doing better than the others. I think that is Americans showing what they think of socializing car companies.

Work is not "rebounding" trust me I am struggling. Because it is rising somewhat from the bottom is not anything to do with the current administration or any politician that is Americans trying to right themselves despite an intrusive government. To attribute any gains to politicians an insult.

They also include all the government jobs they have been adding both temporary (census) and full time. Who are going to pay for these jobs?Areyousuch a hard core believer in your Psuedo side of the politicis, that you are willing to resort and listen to the lies, about those who are resisting government intervention into their lives.

 

[The Donkey]

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I'm with Slave that a racial dividehasmuch to do with attitudes towards guns, although in a different way:

Blacks and blackcommunities have been the overwhelmingvictims of violent crimes.

Black market guns in the hands of black kids do a whole lot of damage in these communities. (President Obama talks about some of his personal experiences with this in his books)

The gun rights community has made few inroads into these communities in persuading them that legally owned guns are beneficial.

Obama accurately reflects the attitudes ofblack communities toward guns, and gun owners have been reacting to those attitudes.

I also think that people who disagree with Obama's attitudeon guns have been too quick to condemn him -- often unfairly -- for his positions on a whole range of issues.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

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Prove it.

Just like suicides the outlawing of guns in Canada, UK and other places did not change the statistics.

Violence won't change in certain communities because of the lack of guns. Chicago the guns are illegal, in most states the kids that commit these crimes can't legally possess guns. So what is being said makes no sense.

And to say it is a black thing is utterly ridiculous. I seen lots of guns and a lot more violence than "silver spoon" government politicians while I was growing up.

I grew up on welfare (in bad neighborhoods)in a familythat had criminals. Ever lived on an Indian Reservation? These Urban "bad neighborhoods" have nothing on reservations,most inner urban kids wouldn't last a day there. There are very bad white neighborhoods too. I have a friend who is an officerhis departmentwon't go into certain areas of Kent, Washington unless they can send several cars. This is for the most part an all "white" neighborhood.

As Chris Rock told Al Sharpton when he told him to stop his rant on needing to stop black on black crime, and wanted him to focus on stopping crime. "Do you think white people leave their neighborhoods to commit crime?"

The demonizing of conservative or independants and libertarian and Tea Party people as racist and saying they are only opposing this presidents policies because he is black is utterly disgusting and without any merit. They oppose his policies because they don't like his policies. Although this is inconceivable to those who think he has the answers to all our woes. (just like Soviet Union used to lock up dissidents, as crazy, because who wouldn't love communism).

Black's viewpoint on guns? This is a racist statement and promotes racism in that tries to paint black folk as different than white folk. Some of the strongest proponents of the second amendment were/are black folks. Martin Luther King Jr., Malcom X, the older Black Panther's. and many of my friends (some who happen to be democrat) The need and desire to protect oneself is a universal human desire/need no matter what the "educated" elite say.