Traveling to San Francisco

[wayneco]

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What about Vermont?

Vermont allows concealed carry without a license/permit by both residents and nonresidents.

 

[marshaul]

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Oh, yeah, I always forget about Vermont! Well, my post stands corrected, but my point remains, if you just include Vermont with Alaska (there is no state exempt from Federal restrictions).

 

[CA_Libertarian]

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Gunslinger wrote:

All Bill of Rights freedoms are limited, in some respect, by both Federal and State laws. The old "can't yell fire in a crowded theater" ruling by Justice Holmes is one of the most famous. The so called "Terry search" is another that lessens the 4th Amendment. The right to a speedy trial has been affirmed by the Federal 'Speedy trial statue,' but you still may have to wait 6 months. So, I agree in principle with your statements, but the reality is how much your absolute freedoms are limited. The states I mentioned limit the right to keep and bear arms minimally. In VA,NH and CO there is NO state prohibition against owning an automatic weapon, just as an example. In most states, there is.

I think the difference in our opinion is semantics. My definition of a 'right' is something that cannot be given or taken away by force. Rights can only be exercised, violated, or surrended freely.

I don't care how many people vote to say I can't do this or that. The right is still there, only maybe they will do bad things to me if I choose to exercise that right. Such as NH threatening prison for failing to apply for permission to conceal a weapon, or CA telling me... well... all the stuff CA government tells its subjects they are forbidden to do.

 

[Gunslinger]

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marshaul wrote:

Alaska is the only state that allows open and concealed carry without a permit. Alaska is the only state which even comes close to not infringing upon our right to bear arms.

I don't give a damn about your qualifications.

Maybe you should, see as how you don't know what you're talking about. Vermont requres no license for concealed carry, either. Before you show off your pissy attitude, completely uncalled for, get your facts right.



I see this was pointed out to you. My opinion of your attitude still stands. I'm not your enemy or I wouldn't be on this forum.

 

[marshaul]

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It's a fact that doesn't really change the core of my argument. You seem to think as as long as we have people like Reagan "respecting the Constitution" our rights are intact. The reality of the situation is that the entire country is in a constitutional crisis where our rights (ALL of them, not just the second amendment) are in constant jeopardy, and all you can think to do is blab on about the "People's Republik of Kalifornia" and how un-free it is "over there."

I got news for you, buddy. We're all in the same boat. The reason I have such an "attitude" towards you is you seem to have this idea that as long as you live in a state were your 2nd amendment rights are only sort-of trampled, it's all fine. As you can see, I disagree vehemently with your position.

Furthermore, it's people with exactly your sort of complacent "as long as I don't feel like it affects me, it's OK" attitude that allow this shit to happen in the first place (for example, in California). So, yeah, I take exception to your attitude. Sorry if it seems like I have a poor one.

 

[Gunslinger]

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And it's people like you who think Reagan or McCain aren't 'pure' enough for your tastes that get the Clintons or Obamas in the White House. The leftwing is happy to have anyone join their team who thinks like them in any respect; only conservatives eat their own young. If you're not 100% pure, then you must not be a 'real' conservative. I was a member of gun owners groups in MA, NH, TX, VA and am now in CO. So I'm not "complacent." I firmly believe the price of liberty is eternal vigilence. Just like you.

 

[cato]

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OT...

 

[usSiR]

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wow! :what:Hijacked Tread



Prophet good on you, I'm going to Cali next month as well, I dont think I'll OC though because the time will be spent as a honey moon and it will only be for a few days, and dont want any LEO hassle while trying to enjoy time with my wife, andI dont want the possibility of losing my side arm. I will bring it with while driving down UT and through NV then lock it upin CA

 

[ca2az96]

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I for one can understand the frustrations of both points of view (Gunslinger and Mudcamper). I am a 3rd Generation California Native, and my entire family still lives there. I left in 1996 due to the high taxes, draconian gun laws, and high cost of living. It broke my heart to have to make that choice to leave, so that my Daughter can grow up with better opportunities and liberties than I had. I have no contempt or ill-will for the great people of California, just the Socialists that run it. My State of Arizona is far from perfect, but in general, it's leaders respect our rights much more (especially 2A). I OC my fully loaded Pistol everywhere I go in Arizona. You all can render judgement about me choosing to leave the state, as opposed to staying and fighting. I highly respect you all who HAVE made the decision to stay and fight. That is an admiral thing to do. I am doing everything I can to fight for expanded 2A rights in Arizona. We have a bill working through our State Senate that will move us almost completely to Constitutional Carry (Vermont Style; No CCW Necessary to Conceal). Now that Osama (Oops, I meant Obama) took our Anti-2A Govenor away, and a Pro-2A Govenor took her place, I think we will prevail. It is my hope that states like mine that loosen our gun laws, and experience the guaranteed drop in crime as a result, will give you all the ammo (no pun intended) you need to move towards pro-2A legislation. Thank you for all you do and stand for! :celebrate

 

[oilfieldtrash11]

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i dream that one day there will be no permits for CCW, no gun control, and no crap about guns in general. i was just born a little too late i guess. i wish it was 1849 right now where EVERYONE OC'd. with work one day, it will come.

 

[CA_Libertarian]

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Holy necro thread Batman!

:lol:

 

[Prophet]

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True story CA_Libertarian...i forgot I had even started this thread.

 

[chrsjhnsn]

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Prophet wrote:

True story CA_Libertarian...i forgot I had even started this thread.

I didn't feel like wading through an off topic thread, I'm in "Frisco" for a few weeks, did anything happen? did you UOC?

 

[dirtykoala]

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edit!

 

[Decoligny]

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dirtykoala wrote:

im from palo alto, its a very stuck up place, and you will get harassed, i talked to a few LEO from palo alto because im there a lot, they said its not a problem to oc, its within my rights, but they can promise they will be called

You should have asked them if their response would be to violate your rights for exercising your right to carry, or if they would just ensure you weren't robbing a store and let you go on your way in peace.