Walmart:

[Lawmaker]

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Walmart on 17. Thursday they had 6 boxes of 9mm and 4 boxes of 45.
Went to Dicks yesterday and they only have 40.
Went back to Walmart on 17 at 10pm. There was someone behind the counter but had nothing left. Cleaned out. They also did not have any ammo at all on the shipment that night. I will try again later.

 

[Mungo]

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I am a huge proponent of Open Carry and Conceal Carry. I don't believe carrying is just a right, but rather I believe it is a responsibility. However, just as most members out here can recite code and judicial rulings on carrying, we also need to know the basic laws of the Uniform Commercial Code and the respective judicial rulings and interpretations.

The courts have ruled that a price tag in a retail establishment is an open invitation for an offer. You see a price tag on an item, you go to the register, and you are effectively placing an offer to buy the item at the price on the price tag. You pay your money, or "consideration", and the sales contract is complete. Just because a retail establishment is in business doesn't mean it has to sell anything. It doesn't matter how much, what time it is or anything. Retail establishments have the right to refuse sales to anyone, at any time, or even restrict quantity. The only exception is if the denied party can prove discrimination of a protected class.

Just as we have the right to carry openly, they (the retailers) have the right to deny sale or even ask us to leave their property.

We're in a time of ammunition shortages. Our goal is to buy ammunition for practice ( or to hoard for those who may be doing so) Why antagonize the moment?

If there is a corporate policy to limit sales, then why make a sales clerk feel uncomfortable? Chances are they may forget the policy if you're not there making them feel uncomfortable.

What was the purpose of the visit? Was it to buy ammo or to raise the visibility of the right to openly carry? And did you achieve your purpose?

The only real recourse we have is to not shop at those retail establishments, take our dollars elsewhere. But then, if they are the only one within a 300 mile radius with what you need, i.e. ammo, what are you really achieving?

 

[BRobb19]

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Mungo wrote:

I am a huge proponent of Open Carry and Conceal Carry. I don't believe carrying is just a right, but rather I believe it is a responsibility. However, just as most members out here can recite code and judicial rulings on carrying, we also need to know the basic laws of the Uniform Commercial Code and the respective judicial rulings and interpretations.

The courts have ruled that a price tag in a retail establishment is an open invitation for an offer. You see a price tag on an item, you go to the register, and you are effectively placing an offer to buy the item at the price on the price tag. You pay your money, or "consideration", and the sales contract is complete. Just because a retail establishment is in business doesn't mean it has to sell anything. It doesn't matter how much, what time it is or anything. Retail establishments have the right to refuse sales to anyone, at any time, or even restrict quantity. The only exception is if the denied party can prove discrimination of a protected class.

Just as we have the right to carry openly, they (the retailers) have the right to deny sale or even ask us to leave their property.

We're in a time of ammunition shortages. Our goal is to buy ammunition for practice ( or to hoard for those who may be doing so) Why antagonize the moment?

If there is a corporate policy to limit sales, then why make a sales clerk feel uncomfortable? Chances are they may forget the policy if you're not there making them feel uncomfortable.

What was the purpose of the visit? Was it to buy ammo or to raise the visibility of the right to openly carry? And did you achieve your purpose?

The only real recourse we have is to not shop at those retail establishments, take our dollars elsewhere. But then, if they are the only one within a 300 mile radius with what you need, i.e. ammo, what are you really achieving?

Um, you must not have read this posting correctly. Let me help you out:

First of all, no one is trying to "antagonize the moment". There are many of us who just want to have ammunition for our firearms, just as the next Joe Smith who comes along shopping after us does. And as you said, there is an ammunition shortage at this time. Everybody wants ammunition, and my money is just as valuable to Wal-Mart as yours or Joe Smith's or Bob Johnson's or anyone else's.

Second,
I have no problem with Wal-Mart having their own policies. They are their own company, and they can create whatever sales limits and rules that they choose to. If Wal-Mart doesn't want to sell items to me at any certain time, then so be it. But, Wal-Mart doesn't have a policy against selling me ammunition at ANY time of day or night. Therefore, if I want to buy ammunition at any time of day or night, I should be able to. I should not be restricted from doing so just because one or two Wal-Mart employees or managers who work the graveyard shift making $8.00 an hour decide that they are too lazy to walk to sporting goods and open up a locked case for me. By doing this, they do not represent Wal-Mart as a company, but rather they merely represent themselves as lazy (or uneducated) individuals.

Third-
Another reason why this problem becomes personal to me is because of my schedule. I work a FULL-TIME job to support myself, and I am also a FULL-TIME college student (even during the summer). I do not have "days off". On the days that I am at my job, I am there til at least 11pm. On the days that I am in school, I begin early and finish between 9:35pm-10:00pm. And some days I go to school and then straight to my job in the same day. Once again, I do NOT have "days off". Having an entire day of school is a "day off" of work for me. So, the chances that I have to go grocery shopping and "Wal-Mart shopping" are generally ALWAYS late at night, either after a long day of school or after a long day of work, or both. This is the time that I have to buy ammo, when I am in need of buying it (and of course when it is available). I am thankful that Wal-Mart does NOT have some sort of policy against selling ammo to people who shop late.

So, basically your entire post was bogus. Would you like to try again?

 

[Mungo]

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What part of what I said was inaccurate?

School all day and working all night is tough. I've been there before. NC State by Day, UPS by night. And even worse, it was back in the day before they had ATMs and when banks were only open 9-5 and they closed from 2-3 to count the tills. Back when "Blue Laws" prevented stores from opening on Sunday. Back when the only store open 24 hours was the 7-11 on the corner. And as a matter of fact, it was back when you had to show a driver's license and sign a register for handgun ammo when it was sold.

My point was two things, when I carry openly, I fully expect confrontation, ignorance, discrimination, and a general hassle. Also, arguing with an $8hr employee is about as futile as arguing with a three year old.

I believe sometimes it's better to back out of the moment and take the inconsistency of hours of sale, or quantity sold up with higher mangement


I just went through something similar with the purchase of a firearm. One of the local dealers had a rare firearm that I waited about 6 months to purchase. At the time of the sale, they had a Firearms Dealers Association sales form that specifically stated on there that the clerk could discriminate against me based on something as irrelevant as the way I was dressed. A rare fiream, just like a shortage in ammo, sort of takes away your barganing chips when negotiating the sale. I feel a $8/hr clerk behind a gun sales counter doesn't have the appropriate degree and experience to determine my mental status, AND I beleive all citizens deserve the 2nd amendment regardless of how they may happen to dress. But then and thre wasn't the time for this discussion.

That was my point, and again, I stand behind everything I said. What part was inaccurate?


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Ammunition is not defined as a self service item. The sale of the product requires it be kept under lock and key. It requires someone to be in possession of this key at all times. Which means that during a time of limited staffing, like at night, it's easy to understand the inability of a limited staff to sale all of it's non-self service goods.

Not condoning their actions at all. I loathe Wal-mart and will only shop there if I know they have ammo.

 

[Lawmaker]

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I was refused ammo purchase because it was after 9pm. I was not OC. I suppose no one wanted to get the key. Now I know to get a manager. The thing that burns me that when I did go back during the day the ammo that I did see that night was gone. All of it. So if the employee that I talked to at the time did their job by either getting the key or contacting a manager I would have my ammo and they would have my money. Both parties would be happy.

 

[moonwing]

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As a Wal-Mart Sporting Goods Associate (Boone, NC) let me set the record straight on our company policies.

The 6 box limit is a company policy and has nothing to do with federal or state laws. Our corporate office enacted the limit so that we could serve as many customers as possible in these times when ammunition is so hard to find. It also keeps people from clearing out our shelves so they can mark up the price and sell it to people just trying to stock up. I know it sucks, but it really is to your benefit.

It is Wal-Mart's policy that an associate may refuse the sale of any age restricted item if they feel in any way uncomfortable with the transaction. He was also correct that a manager cannot override that decision. I'm glad to see he at least gave the manager the option to do the sale instead, but he was still being a liberal tool. I'm really not sure why he would want to work in sporting goods in the first place if he's that scared of a pistol.

As far as bringing the gun in the store, company policy states that a RIFE BROUGHT IN BY A CUSTOMER FOR REPAIR OR RETURN must be checked at the door and carried by a manager throughout the store. However, Wal-Mart no longer facilitates the repairs of firearms once they are purchased and all sales are final, thus this rule now means nothing. There is no rule at all stating that someone expressing their right to open carry must check their weapon at the door or be escorted through the store.

The assistant manager in your story is an idiot for asking to see your permit. He had absolutly no athority to do that.

In reguards to not selling you ammo because you had a gun; Wal-Mart policy states that a sales associate my not show a firearm and ammunition to a customer at the same time. This rule does not apply to a customer's personal weapon. Also, we sell firearms WITH ammunition in the same transaction all the time. He should have known that. Was this his first day or something?

Wal-Mart policy states that we will not sell FIREARMS after 10pm. AMMUNITION may be sold until close of business. If the assistant manager said they couldn't sell you ammunition after 10pm, they have no clue how to do their job and need to be fired.

Hope this helps to clear things up. Personally, I would stop doing business with that store. They are incompetant, run by people who don't understand their job and are expressing piss-poor customer service. Come up to Boone and buy your ammo from me. I've sold ammo to a guy when I could see the but of his pistol sticking out of his overalls. Didn't bother me a bit. The second ammendment says, "shall not be infringed," so I do nothing to infringe on people's rights.

Again, come to the Boone store if you ever get the chance. Our sporting goods is full of proud, gun owning concervatives who pride ourselves on customer service. I promise that we will make you feel welcome and give you any assistance you need.

Joe

 

[razor_baghdad]

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Great first post moonwing!!

Welcome to OC.org!

 

[moonwing]

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Thanks. I just found this website in a Google search. I see you're from Fayettnam. A buddy of mine was from there. Anyway, I just wanted to show that not all Wal-Marts are full of liberal, anti-gun idiots. Some of us actually know how to do our job and help customers.

 

[BRobb19]

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I would also like to say thank you for your post, moonwing, and welcome to the OC Forum.

 

[wdprice3]

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we need someone to print out NC Law and Walmart policy and ask them where all of these gun laws/policies are.

Permit to OC? Trash
6 Box limit? Trash
No ammo sales after 10? Trash
Escorting if purchasing ammo? Trash

 

[griv]

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Hi, I'm new here and caught this thread in a search and found it quite fascinating. I hate Wal-Mart simply because of the mad house it always is there. But if you want cheap ammo try here.

http://www.ammoengine.com/

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/CategoryListing.aspx?catid=75

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/browse/BrowseAmmoIndex.aspx?

I would NOT have been so nice and it would have been abad evening for all involved.

 

[KyleKatern]

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All of those sites are more expensive than AmmoMan, and even HE is more expensive than walmart.

 

[griv]

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What kind of prices are we talking about? I've only shopped at Wal-Mart for ammo once looking for 3" Winchester 000 .410 for my Judge here in Charlotte and went to 2 different ones and they were out of stock and more than other sources. I never went back after that. They also have a limited caliber selection IMHO.

 

[KyleKatern]

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They have a decent range of the COMMON sizings for ammunition for shotguns, rifles, and pistols, EXCLUDING older military sizings, as they only carry new made commercial offerings. I buy 22, 9mm, 45, 32, and 40 all the time locally, as well as 12 guage loads. They do sell out fast ons oem items, and some stores have a very limited on hand sotck, while others I have walked into have 10-20k rounds of 9mm or 40 on the shelves, or even up to 50-100k rounds of 22 on a good days shipment.

 

[griv]

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How much is a box of Blazer 9mm 50 count?

 

[Ratt402]

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I use the wally world here on Battleground in Greensboro and if I recall right, a box of .40 Blazer Brass were $12.50. Not too bad really. I OC as well as CC in there always as I do anywhere I go. When I do OC, I have never had a problem in there while shopping, buying AMMO, or just looking for a picture opportunity for peopleofwalmart.com, which is aweb site worth going to for some good laughs. Once you go there, you will understand the picture opportunity bit.

Anyways, just wanted to pass on about that store location as far as prices and no harassment for OCing. As far as availability of types of ammo, I do not remember seeing too many spaces missing ammo lately.

Semper Fi!

 

[chiefjason]

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Picked up Federal 50 ct 9mm for $9.47 a box a few weeks ago. Got the last 3 they had. Went today and it was bone dry, except some .410 federal. Granite Falls, NC.

 

[griv]

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chiefjason wrote:

Picked up Federal 50 ct 9mm for $9.47 a box a few weeks ago. Got the last 3 they had. Went today and it was bone dry, except some .410 federal. Granite Falls, NC.

Well dang. I guess I'll get my practise ammo there for now on. Thanks for the heads up. I could find fairly close but no cigar. I do have some exotic calibers I'm sure they won't stock, but that's ok.

:celebrate

 

[DrMark]

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Our local WalMart hasn't been problematic, though sometimes people are scarce at the Sporting Goods counter in the evening.

Even after going to another department and asking for assistance, folks are slow to show up.

A buddy of mine, after 20 minutes or so, started using the phone on the Sporting Goods counter to page for assitance himself, every few minutes, until someone showed up. :lol:

 

[N6ATF]

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DrMark wrote:

Our local WalMart hasn't been problematic, though sometimes people are scarce at the Sporting Goods counter in the evening.

Even after going to another department and asking for assistance, folks are slow to show up.

A buddy of mine, after 20 minutes or so, started using the phone on the Sporting Goods counter to page for assitance himself, every few minutes, until someone showed up. :lol:

Always wondered how to do that, but the PA codes aren't always the same, or on a guide on or next to the phone.