cs9c1
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This thread is turning into Webster 101
This thread is turning into Webster 101
You can't really believe that a couple of pro-gun democrats can stand up to rock-star hillary, or that nancy isn't chomping at the bit to put her "mark" on things, or that first-time officeholders really can do what they want in Congress, do you? They'll do what their party tells them to do until they've been there long enough to do otherwise.In a way, this reminds me a lot about the way you keep advancing these partisan theories about what must happen when a pro gun democrat gets into the Senate:
Consider -- for example -- Ben Nelson of Nebraska: Democrat. he's been there for 6 years now:
http://www.bennelson2006.com/ShowPage.asp?page=issuesguncontrol.asp
Looks like he'll be there another 6 years.
Not really a softy when it comes to gun control.
So do you think Chuck and Hillary beat him up in the Senate locker room?
I agree so much with this statement, on many levels, not just 2A rights.I'm much more afraid of a democrat majority than I am of any one candidate.
You hit it on the head Dutch Uncle. If you dont toe the party line you get beat down and kicked out. No matter where you fall on this subject, Mr. O'Reilly's book Culture Warrior has some veryeye opening information on what is going on.Joe Lieberman comes to mind.
Lots of folks want to see the Democrats as the antidote to the Republicans. In this case, the cure is much more dangerous than the illness.
I think you and Webb need to appreciate the distrust and hostility gun owners have toward the Democrats. After being vilified for more than a generation, 2 years of a 'gun neutral' party platform is not enough time to build up trust and overcome the past. It is not so much whether Webb is pro gun or not, and most people take him at his word that he is. The question is will a Democratic majority do something for us or something to us?So now the pro-gun community is on a snipe hunt for democratic gun grabbers in the Virginia senate race:
And we are sniping and snarking at Jim Webb -- who is a quality candidate -- solely because he is a democrat:
But a Democratic Caucus who has room for a pro gun Senator Nelson --
http://www.bennelson2006.com/ShowPage.asp?page=Issues.asp.
-- will also have room for a pro gun Jim Webb.
The democratic party eventually is going to be in the Senate majority again -- at least for a while -- possibly (not probably) after this election. If the pressure for change doesn't get its release now, I project that the democratic party will be in the majority by a fairly significant margin in 2008: and then we will really be looking to talk to democrats like Jim Webb.
This sniping snarkiness just gets in the way of real dialogue: which is unfortunate because the pro gun agenda is far more complicated than most "pro gun" politicians realize: I would include both Webb and Allen in that boat, although Webb is learning fast.
If all there is between the pro gun community and democrats like Webb is sniping snarkiness, we will just continue trading polemics, being snide and disrespectful to each other, and talking past each other, rather than grappling with the issues and complexity here.
The Donkey
Hillary co-Sponsored a .50 caliber ban last year, is that what you mean by bigger things?HY'all are still worrying about Hillary (who is on to "bigger things") and Pelosi (who is a house member and basically irrelevant to Webb) but there is no place in your theory for Ben Nelson and similar Boom Boom dems.
The Donkey
You should meet some of the GA Delegates and Senators around NOVA, they are as anti-gun as possible.Virginia Democrats are not so virulently "anti-gun" as some heremay think, andWebbcarried the state by 6.5%.
I can tell you that Webb did respond to the NRA survey TWICE! The first time NRA claimed to have lost the survey results: weeks after the campaign re-sent them, NRA got around to posting Webb's "A" on its website, but had by then prevented Webb's "A" rating from being published in American Hunter magazine.Why didn't Webb respond to the GOA candidate survey? Does he have an opinion on gun-rights that he does not want the public to know (either pro or anti-gun)?
All I do know is that Allen did respond, and he received an "A" rating from GOA (which is often hard to do).