SaintJacque
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EDIT: Sorry about the link, it's here http://www.vimeo.com/12623919
I came across an interesting video today and it got me thinking, what would you do if you were in the camera man's shoes and were carrying. It's pretty short, I recommend watching it.
The summary, as I saw it, was that the camera man exited the mall to return to his chained up bicycle. When he approached his bike, he caught a man cutting the chain on his bike, obviously attempting to steal it. The camera guy confronts the would-be bike thief and the thief gets verbally hostile. At one point the camera guy is surrounded by people who may be friendly to the thief and was briefly involved in a "tussle" which ended quickly and the "thug" continued threatening the camera guy. Mall "security" is present but do nothing but observe, refusing even to call 911. The thief walks away and the camera man rides off.
There's a lot of detail I missed, that's just a really brief summary, so you really need to watch the video to put yourself in the camera guy's shoes. My question is, what would you have done in his place? Would your actions be different if you were OCing versus CCing? I've really been racking my brain trying to figure out what I would have done.
In that situation, I probably would have been CCing. I often OC, but since he just exited a mall I would likely have been CCing to avoid a hassle (ironically with the same security who just did nothing while a man was repeated threatened). So, I would have to judge based on the situation whether this thief was prepared to make good on his numerous threats to "beat me up" and "kick my ass".
But, let's say he was. In this situation, do you throw fists with the guy and hope his buddies don't join in? Or do you unholster your weapon in order to establish your security more firmly? If he attacks you, are you justified in shooting? If several people attack you?
It's a real challenge to me because I don't really have any good options on the force spectrum between my fists and my gun. If he gets the better of a fight with me he could kill me, but if I take out my gun I could be charged with some weapons violation. This also goes to show just how utterly worthless mall "security" can be. One more reason never to rely on others for your defense.
So, what would you do?
EDIT: Sorry about the link, it's here http://www.vimeo.com/12623919
I came across an interesting video today and it got me thinking, what would you do if you were in the camera man's shoes and were carrying. It's pretty short, I recommend watching it.
The summary, as I saw it, was that the camera man exited the mall to return to his chained up bicycle. When he approached his bike, he caught a man cutting the chain on his bike, obviously attempting to steal it. The camera guy confronts the would-be bike thief and the thief gets verbally hostile. At one point the camera guy is surrounded by people who may be friendly to the thief and was briefly involved in a "tussle" which ended quickly and the "thug" continued threatening the camera guy. Mall "security" is present but do nothing but observe, refusing even to call 911. The thief walks away and the camera man rides off.
There's a lot of detail I missed, that's just a really brief summary, so you really need to watch the video to put yourself in the camera guy's shoes. My question is, what would you have done in his place? Would your actions be different if you were OCing versus CCing? I've really been racking my brain trying to figure out what I would have done.
In that situation, I probably would have been CCing. I often OC, but since he just exited a mall I would likely have been CCing to avoid a hassle (ironically with the same security who just did nothing while a man was repeated threatened). So, I would have to judge based on the situation whether this thief was prepared to make good on his numerous threats to "beat me up" and "kick my ass".
But, let's say he was. In this situation, do you throw fists with the guy and hope his buddies don't join in? Or do you unholster your weapon in order to establish your security more firmly? If he attacks you, are you justified in shooting? If several people attack you?
It's a real challenge to me because I don't really have any good options on the force spectrum between my fists and my gun. If he gets the better of a fight with me he could kill me, but if I take out my gun I could be charged with some weapons violation. This also goes to show just how utterly worthless mall "security" can be. One more reason never to rely on others for your defense.
So, what would you do?