This is a generalization. You may "believe" this. I don't. It depends on your religion.
The evidence for my position is far stronger than the faith derived nonsense from the religious position.
Ignoring the generalization that you seem to have used by implying anyone who is a theist is a religious zealot, I can point out why this won't happen. Many of us theists believe that ignoring the deity will result in a declined individual life. Further, some of us theists might think that there is something greater than the "greater social structure".
I don't particularly care where you place your belief so long as it does not impede logic, common sense, and rationality.
So why exactly is your "greater purpose" and believed in deity supposedly more sound or rational than every other religion?
Please expound upon this using factual data.
More to the point, your belief system(religion) is in direct conflict with many theists belief system(religion).
I would say you are confused, but truth is, you are not. You are
blatantly still trying to equate Atheism with religion. This is false, and I believe at this point you are merely trying to antagonize instead of having rational conversation.
Again, for those observing. Atheism is merely the belief that there is no god. That's it.
It is as much a "religion" as believing my motorcycle is where I last parked it, in the garage.
[video=youtube;DSzttF8EXrE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSzttF8EXrE[/video] (For the lulz)
We need to find a way to live together in this free country without imposing our religions on each other. I'm not saying you're imposing, but I AM saying that I consider your position as religious dogma as well and therefore, neither "dogma" should be "imposed".
Wow. So our country works of a structure. Its structure is based on order, critical thinking, rationality, and evidence. This is purely scientific.
That IS, by far, the evolutionary Atheists standard. That is
ACTUALLY WHAT WE USE.
The Christian method would have us
conferring with the Bible every single time something came up.
It also is nonsensical to "believe" that intelligence and order came from nothing. It is more logical to "believe" that intelligence and order existed first and that from this, came everything else.
Yeah bro, especially when all evidence points to the contrary.
Thats
#1 sensible. :lol:
All you "proved" was that five atheists pick on Islam and not just Christianity. Big woop. Did you find "evidence" that other than Christians that the FFRF or ACLU are suing schools for reading the Quran in class?
Your statements were that "Atheists" were specifically leading a campaign against Christianity.
Those were
YOUR words.
I merely showed you that even the worlds LEADING atheists were targeting other religions, but this wasn't good enough for you.
Your scale is broken, get it fixed.
By the way Chris Hitchens is a "self-described anti-theist" cuz if God is proven to be real then he is off the hook with the atheist community.....and God. I figure his drinking buddies think of him as a atheist or else they too would be anti-theists......or maybe those folks switch depending on the circumstance and who is listening.
"Was" a self-described anti-theist. One can be Atheist and Anti-Theist. You guys not knowing the simple meaning of the terms is whats comical here.
Atheist - "Doesn't believe in a God."
Anti-Theist - "Specifically is against the teachings of the presence of a God."
For the sake of decent conversation PLEASE at least know your terms and what they mean prior to engaging in conversation.
I guess you didn't select the link to the LDS site, you know, the official LDS site.
Why would I do that? Part of the family is Mormon and I have Mormon friends. I see Tawnos post and have to say I have never seen one of them not get offended by being called "Christians". Interesting that his experience is dissimilar.
Not according to Chris Hitchens or maybe he chose a different descriptor for himself just to keep our discussion going.
No, Christopher Hitchens was smarter than either of us combined and knew that the term "Anti-Theist" was appropriate because Atheists may or may not have an Anti-Theistic approach.
Richard Dawkins also calls himself an Anti-Theist.
The context is knowing whether one is adamantly speaking against deistic religion or simply does not believe in a deity. One can be either or, or both.
This is why it is so hard to speak rationally with religious nuts sometimes. You don't even know what you're talking about because religion is often believed to provide all of the knowledge or standards necessary to avoid actual education.
If it is in a textbook in a school we are teaching it. When the Quran is being read in school we are teaching it, in spite of what the 9th Circus says.
What the hell are you talking about Dingleberry? Where did I ever give the idea that I was for anything religious being taught in public schools?
Islam can gtfo of public schools as well!
Sheer numbers, but I don't see Christians putting up billboards trying to convert the "Faithfull" to Christianity. Nor do I see any billboards stating/inferring that Islam is a sham religion based on mythical beings, with adherents who see their "prophet" on a slice of toast.
Tawnos handled this quite nicely.
Nothing to add here.
You are the very very very rare exception regarding the anti-Christian crowd. The FFRF and ACLU categorically disagree with your position and have put their money where their mouth is.
Not true. Most Atheists don't give a rats crap what/how/where you worship or what you read before the big test. What we do NOT want is religious material (such as the Qur'an) being taught as education. I wouldn't even care if they simply used the Bible or the Qur'an as grammatical lessons for English review of writing styles. Who cares so long as it is not being taught as truth.
More Christians? Yep. Stonger support? Depends on who you talk to.
The rest is atheist drivel. Trying to get your digs in cuz I call you a atheist/antitheist and I call myself a Christian does not change the reality in America today. Christians are being "persicuted" by the big two and the other great religions are getting a pass.....with the court's blessings.
Even so, our discussion is not about what you or I beleive/not believe, but what the state and courts force us to do/not do or suffer the consequences.
"Atheist Drivel" usually carries more fact, history, and specificity than religious rhetoric. So I will bank on "Atheist drivel" every time and come out smelling like roses.