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Why we shoot to stop the threat?

skidmark

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Steven Wegner's DUF Digest today has the following from John Farnam:

12 June 12
Deliberately shooting to "wound," or 'disable," rather than "kill"
Reasonable idea?
At a Defensive Pistol Class last weekend, one of my students, a lovely young wife, pregnant with her first child, asked about the idea of using her pistol to "wound" a home-invasion suspect, rather than shoot him in a way that would likely produce death. Like so many, she was struggling with the
concept of "lethal force."
Her struggle is surely understandable, and, while I sympathize with the inherent difficulty of confronting the concept of lethal force, as her teacher I have no option but to thoroughly acquaint her, and all students, with the stark truth!
The deliberate discharge of a firearm in the direction of a violent felon is considered by our criminal-justice system to be inherently "lethal," regardless of "intent" of the shooter. Therefore, when you, by choice, discharge a firearm in someone's direction, you are employing "lethal force," even when you consciously miss (eg: fire a "warning shot"), or attempt to strike the person in an ostensibly non-critical portion of his body (eg: a "wounding shot").
Firing a "warning" shot will engender terror and panic among members of the public who witness or hear it. Also, the act requires the shooter to momentarily take his eyes off a potentially homicidal offender, and it is difficult for anyone to predict exactly where warning shot(s), and ricochet(s), will ultimately impact, thus placing innocent bystanders in jeopardy. Moreover, warning shots may cause police, and/or legally-armed citizens, to mistakenly conclude that the shooter is deliberately firing at a violent felon, with good cause, or that the shooter, and the offender, are firing at officers, thus setting the stage for a tragic, mistaken police response.
In the same way "wounding" shots are contraindicated. Deliberately attempting to wound "non-fatally" a VCA who is threatening your life, via deliberately aiming for an ostensibly non-vital area of his body, such as an arm or leg, is difficult and dangerous. Such shots usually miss altogether, and, even when they do hit where intended, they are seldom effective in quickly stopping the offender's life-threatening actions. Additionally, they require a degree of accuracy that is dubious for most gun-owners, even most police officers, in typical life-threatening situations. So, attempting to inflict ostensibly non-fatal wounds may actually make matters worse, by prolonging the fight, and exacerbating risk-exposure to you, other innocent parties, even the felon himself.
To reiterate, any intentional discharge of a firearm in the direction of another person is considered an exercise in lethal force, regardless of your expressed intent, or ultimate result. When you are legally justified in employing lethal force against a threat, and have decided to do so, you are simultaneously justified in fatally wounding (killing) the person. When you are not justified in traumatically ending the offender's life then and there, you are not justified in firing at all. Your sincerely articulated "
intended outcome," ceases to be relevant once you press the trigger. Put another way, you can't "shoot him a little bit!"
None can accurately predict total damage a bullet (any kind of bullet, from any kind of gun, striking anywhere on the body) will ultimately produce. You may attempt a shot to an extremity, and you may even be successful, but your bullet may perforate an artery, and, as a direct result, the person may bleed to death, even when that outcome was not your "intention." And, even when death does not result, some degree of permanent disablement/impairment/disfigurement surely will. No one ever "recovers completely" from a gunshot wound!
The maxim is:
Shot placement that will most likely stop violent, criminal behavior is also likely to generate wounds that prove fatal. The two outcomes are inseparably linked!.
All my students must confront the inescapable fact that employing gunfire in self-defense, no matter your intent, is likely to result in traumatic death to the VCA(s) in question.
Within that prison of circumstance, you have no choice but to place you own safety, and the safety of your family, at the top of your list. Otherwise, there is no point in owning a gun!

Farnam may not be "THE" expert everyone agrees with [imagine that!?!] but there is a decent amount of truth and what we used to call "common sense" in his preachings.

Consider the source, take what you think will work/suit your needs and have your attorney's phone number memorized 'cause they will have your phone and speed dial will be no good to you. Remember that the phones down at the jail only work for collect calls.

stay safe.
 

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Why do we shoot to stop the threat?

I've been pondering the title question on this thread and I think I've finally figured out what the answer is: We shoot to stop the threat, because we can't count on the threat stopping by itself.
 

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I've been pondering the title question on this thread and I think I've finally figured out what the answer is: We shoot to stop the threat, because we can't count on the threat stopping by itself.

Well, certainly not before we get hurt.

Must be a defective part in me somewhere. I just do not enjoy getting hurt.

stay safe.
 

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Well, certainly not before we get hurt.

Must be a defective part in me somewhere. I just do not enjoy getting hurt.

stay safe.

I can dig that, to use the vernacular of my mis-spent youth.

One of the biggest problems I've had in talking to people about self defense law is getting them to understand that the point is to stop the threat before the threat comes to fruition: you don't have to wait until you've actually suffered the serious bodily injury before responding, the point is to avoid having to suffer the serious bodily injury in the first place. All it takes is an assault, you don't have to wait until it's battery to take action.
 

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Would that be assault or merely simple assault?

stay safe.

Naps Online Dictionary:

Simple Assault.
Striking someone hard enough the first time with no further expenditure of energy.

Complicated Assault:
Striking someone and having them get back up.
 

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Naps Online Dictionary:

Simple Assault.
Striking someone hard enough the first time with no further expenditure of energy.

Complicated Assault:
Striking someone and having them get back up.

Arrgggh Assault:

Striking someone with all you got and their remaining upright while laughing at you.
 

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Naps Online Dictionary:

Simple Assault.
Striking someone hard enough the first time with no further expenditure of energy.

Complicated Assault:
Striking someone and having them get back up.

Arrgggh Assault:

Striking someone with all you got and their remaining upright while laughing at you.

Both of you go stand in separate corners!

Those are all batteries - and should not be confused with the dreaded 9V battery.:p

stay safe.
 
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