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McX
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post the pics! it didn't realy happen unless we got pics. besides the tv stuff i mean.
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Wisconsin open carry meet up, August 29th at Starbucks in Delevan
- Thread starter paul@paul-fisher.com
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J.Gleason
Banned
Lets remember Rule #12
paul@paul-fisher.com
Regular Member
Pfft!!! Rules, we don't need no stinkin' rules! :lol:
I apologize if it is construed as bashing.
Wisconsin Carry Inc. - Chairman
Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
Not bashing ICarry. Just pointing out that what happened in Sussex, and especially what happened in Delavan was hurtful to the cause. It didn't have to be.
We had a grass roots open-carry event in Delavan to advance the cause. Many attended, the cause was advanced in that regard.
The comments and information given to the press was not representative of the event. Unfortunately, 75 people came, another hundred of locals probably drove by and observed, but thousands will read the paper and think it was not the grass roots event that it really was because an Illinois group drove up from Rockford and made sure they got their promotion in. I believe that hurt the cause of open-carry in Wisconsin.
We had a grass roots open-carry event in Delavan to advance the cause. Many attended, the cause was advanced in that regard.
The comments and information given to the press was not representative of the event. Unfortunately, 75 people came, another hundred of locals probably drove by and observed, but thousands will read the paper and think it was not the grass roots event that it really was because an Illinois group drove up from Rockford and made sure they got their promotion in. I believe that hurt the cause of open-carry in Wisconsin.
Spartacus
Banned
I thought it was in poor taste myself.
I don't think I'm going to quite so polite and nice to SAK the next time we meet. I don't mind him attending our events, but pimping his ride at our expense is irksome.
I don't think I'm going to quite so polite and nice to SAK the next time we meet. I don't mind him attending our events, but pimping his ride at our expense is irksome.
J.Gleason
Banned
I know and I agree, the Rule #12 thing was a joke
I think Shaun should make his intentions known to the event organizers before attending as an ICarry representative. I think that is a fair request.
I don't have an issue with out of state people attending as this only shows the general public that no matter where you are from, if you are law abiding there are no worries.
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M
McX
Guest
Everybody who went, the event is over, but highlights are still present within us, everybody jump on and give yours: sparticuses gun belt. Old School doing the book out of there. i'll let him expand on it, but right on old school, book in a manner i have never tried. Historic to see it. no threat to me!
Wisconsin Carry Inc. - Chairman
Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
We had the pastor of a local church show up Open-Carrying!
That was great to see.
Spartacus
Banned
COMMENTS REMOVED BY MODERATOR: Personal attack
SAK should know better and the next time I see him we will come to an understanding.
He wanted to set up a table at the La Crosse event but we declined, now he's not even asking.
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M
McX
Guest
the guy in the suit? i hope he comes again, it's always nice to shake hands with God' rep. on earth. Clergy Carry. Progressive idea.
added on edit; kudo's should go out to the cops, they got the flyer, and did their job, then let us be. think about it, 70common citizens assemble, kinda requires cops to be around. they let us be, not out of fear, cause what they going to come talk with us about? how bad it sucks? they know that. but they gave us a smidge of privacy because of who and what we are. a BIG crack in the wall to me.
added on edit; kudo's should go out to the cops, they got the flyer, and did their job, then let us be. think about it, 70common citizens assemble, kinda requires cops to be around. they let us be, not out of fear, cause what they going to come talk with us about? how bad it sucks? they know that. but they gave us a smidge of privacy because of who and what we are. a BIG crack in the wall to me.
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paul@paul-fisher.com
Regular Member
Really? Which one?
Wisconsin Carry Inc. - Chairman
Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
I didn't ask which church... my bad. But yes, the guy in the suit.
Sounds like he takes the safety of his church members seriously! I like it.
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M
McX
Guest
Bet God done told him: Starteth Packing to protect the flock.
Doug Huffman
Banned
M
McX
Guest
i can see the vision, but wonder what would be on their faces right now?
J.Gleason
Banned
Not interested in arguing with egomaniacs and thugs
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Spartacus
Banned
Yah but why would you cry to John to get my post deleted and then quote it yourself? Thats what I would like to know.
If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
paul@paul-fisher.com
Regular Member
Way to go off on someone without knowing the facts, just like when you accused The Don of being Doug.
I reported the post to John. If I see personal attacks I will report them. Obviously John agreed with me.
Just so you don't think I'm picking on you, I've reported Gleason in the past as well. I don't like being a narc but if people are going to sabotage our mission, they need to be disciplined.
J.Gleason
Banned
Not interested in arguing with egomaniacs and thugs
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SAK
Regular Member
I came there with my father, he's the one on the left side of me in the picture. Other ICarry members came without being asked to - they just enjoy open carry and are getting into it. ICarry was formed in 2005 for Illinois and in fall of '09 we took on Wisconsin as well, it only making sense to help soften the territory in both states so that concealed carry laws can get passed. We're for both forms of carry - and we follow Wisconsin Carry's stance that is should be a choice made by the responsible citizen who's carrying based on their needs.
I think the more groups we have showing support for the same thing the better.
The three of us had planned more than a week ago to go to Lake Geneva for the day, then I think it was Joe who saw this event was going on nearby so we decided to head over there first. I go up to Lake Geneva frequently because my family has property there on the lake. Joe's been there too, and we've been itching to OC in the town around the stores and everything. I even spoke to officers there one night while not OCing and the officer stated that they have a policy to report it, check it out, but not to do anything about it and if (and only if) there is a problem to call a supervisor. The officers were very supportive of it - I thought that was very cool and I was glad I talked to them and gave them our cards.
I have to say I'm not too interested in politics. I'm here to advance the causes, and I think we've done a great deal for that and I hope we can do a great deal more. I had no idea who the organizer of the event even was. I don't hang out in this forum much because of all the keyboard commandos. I'm not interested in online debates that only serve to distract.
Anyway, if an event is officially organized by an organization, I would be happy to talk with them first about coming. But if an event is simply organized at a public place, by a private citizen, and open to the public...why wouldn't I come?
To spell out what I'm doing - I'm trying to usher the good example of Wisconsin gun owners down to Illinois a bit. I'm trying to show people in Illinois that it is a good thing to exercise rights, a good thing to be public and "open" about it, a good thing to practice what you preach, and a good thing to do more than just talk about carrying guns. It's working!!! I'm so happy this all is going on in Wisconsin, because it's really, really, really helping both states. I've also wanted to bring some support to Wisconsin from Illinois, and get support to Illinois from Wisconsin. So far, it's going very well.
Anyone paying attention would have seen that I didn't seek out the media. A guy came up and talked to me and I didn't even realize he was media at first until he started taking notes. Maybe they liked the right white and blue of our logo, I don't know. I certainly didn't ask to be interviewed or photoed or anything.
When I left the event, someone kept thanking me for coming. No one ever said anything to me in person or expressed any kind of discontent. So it's kinda funny that this came out after the news article...
My phone number is 815-986-7974 if anyone wants to talk to me. Venting on here about disappointments won't be taken too seriously. When people put their time and money into promoting right to carry, it doesn't do well to complain and criticize. Would you honestly rather not have those people helping?
I've seen this for years, and I've even participated in it way too many times than I'd like to admit: arguing about which is the most effective way to advance something. Unfortunately, it detracts from our shared goal, drains positive energy, and doesn't improve anything. If someone says, "hey, I want to create some Wisconsin Open Carry kazoos to advance the cause" you can certainly say "I think whistles would be better than kazoos" and the person could reply, "well, I really want to do kazoos and I think they are better"
At this point you can decide if you want to waste time arguing which is better - kazoos or whistles - or you can simply offer your moral and perhaps even physical support. "Hey, I think that's a great idea - I hope that your kazoos turn out really well" or you can say "That sounds great, how can I help?"
I have people come to me all the time with ideas that I think to myself, "man, that's a waste of time/energy." "I wish this person would do this instead..." Sometimes I make suggestions to them, but in the end I try to help whenever I can. That way the energy is preserved, and a lot of times I find I'm very glad of that, because pleasant surprises can be astonishing.
Enough of that though, I had a wonderful time at the event. My dad did too - now he wants to get a holster so he can carry at one. I talked to a number of people who were totally new to open carry - that was very exciting. It's good to see old faces, and new ones too! These informal get togethers are a good thing. Let's keep them focused on open carry because it's current law and how open vs. concealed should be a choice made by the person carrying based on what suits their needs the most. I think the video interview Nik and I did turned out very well.
Thanks to everyone who came, everyone who helped promote it, and to the management of Starbucks who were very supportive and accommodating.
I think the more groups we have showing support for the same thing the better.
The three of us had planned more than a week ago to go to Lake Geneva for the day, then I think it was Joe who saw this event was going on nearby so we decided to head over there first. I go up to Lake Geneva frequently because my family has property there on the lake. Joe's been there too, and we've been itching to OC in the town around the stores and everything. I even spoke to officers there one night while not OCing and the officer stated that they have a policy to report it, check it out, but not to do anything about it and if (and only if) there is a problem to call a supervisor. The officers were very supportive of it - I thought that was very cool and I was glad I talked to them and gave them our cards.
I have to say I'm not too interested in politics. I'm here to advance the causes, and I think we've done a great deal for that and I hope we can do a great deal more. I had no idea who the organizer of the event even was. I don't hang out in this forum much because of all the keyboard commandos. I'm not interested in online debates that only serve to distract.
Anyway, if an event is officially organized by an organization, I would be happy to talk with them first about coming. But if an event is simply organized at a public place, by a private citizen, and open to the public...why wouldn't I come?
To spell out what I'm doing - I'm trying to usher the good example of Wisconsin gun owners down to Illinois a bit. I'm trying to show people in Illinois that it is a good thing to exercise rights, a good thing to be public and "open" about it, a good thing to practice what you preach, and a good thing to do more than just talk about carrying guns. It's working!!! I'm so happy this all is going on in Wisconsin, because it's really, really, really helping both states. I've also wanted to bring some support to Wisconsin from Illinois, and get support to Illinois from Wisconsin. So far, it's going very well.
Anyone paying attention would have seen that I didn't seek out the media. A guy came up and talked to me and I didn't even realize he was media at first until he started taking notes. Maybe they liked the right white and blue of our logo, I don't know. I certainly didn't ask to be interviewed or photoed or anything.
When I left the event, someone kept thanking me for coming. No one ever said anything to me in person or expressed any kind of discontent. So it's kinda funny that this came out after the news article...
My phone number is 815-986-7974 if anyone wants to talk to me. Venting on here about disappointments won't be taken too seriously. When people put their time and money into promoting right to carry, it doesn't do well to complain and criticize. Would you honestly rather not have those people helping?
I've seen this for years, and I've even participated in it way too many times than I'd like to admit: arguing about which is the most effective way to advance something. Unfortunately, it detracts from our shared goal, drains positive energy, and doesn't improve anything. If someone says, "hey, I want to create some Wisconsin Open Carry kazoos to advance the cause" you can certainly say "I think whistles would be better than kazoos" and the person could reply, "well, I really want to do kazoos and I think they are better"
At this point you can decide if you want to waste time arguing which is better - kazoos or whistles - or you can simply offer your moral and perhaps even physical support. "Hey, I think that's a great idea - I hope that your kazoos turn out really well" or you can say "That sounds great, how can I help?"
I have people come to me all the time with ideas that I think to myself, "man, that's a waste of time/energy." "I wish this person would do this instead..." Sometimes I make suggestions to them, but in the end I try to help whenever I can. That way the energy is preserved, and a lot of times I find I'm very glad of that, because pleasant surprises can be astonishing.
Enough of that though, I had a wonderful time at the event. My dad did too - now he wants to get a holster so he can carry at one. I talked to a number of people who were totally new to open carry - that was very exciting. It's good to see old faces, and new ones too! These informal get togethers are a good thing. Let's keep them focused on open carry because it's current law and how open vs. concealed should be a choice made by the person carrying based on what suits their needs the most. I think the video interview Nik and I did turned out very well.
Thanks to everyone who came, everyone who helped promote it, and to the management of Starbucks who were very supportive and accommodating.