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    Breaking news...

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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315342,00.html

    Report: At Least One Person Wounded in Omaha Mall Shooting
    Wednesday, December 05, 2007


    OMAHA, Neb.—Report: Man shot inside Omaha mall.[/b][/b]

    At least one person was shot Wednesday inside a busy Omaha mall, local authorities are reporting.

    Police locked down the Westroads Mall while they searched for the gunman, who has been described as a young black man.

    It was unclear whether the shooter was still inside the mall or how many people were wounded.

    An elderly man was found near an escalator inside the Von Maur inside the mall.

    The lockdown has reportedly been lifted and shoppers are now allowed back inside


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    http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pb...1/ragbrai_2006

    OMAHA, Neb. — At least one person was shot Wednesday at a busy Omaha mall, and police locked down the shopping center while they searched for a gunman.

    It was unclear whether the shooter was still inside the mall or whether other people were wounded at the Westroads Mall. OAS_AD('ArticleFlex_1');
    Two people were seen being removed on stretchers, and rescue workers were taking more stretchers inside the building.

    Omaha television station KETV reported that an elderly man was shot inside the Von Maur department store.

    Keith Fidler, a Von Maur employee, said he heard a burst of five to six shots followed by 15 to 20 more shots. Fidler said he huddled in the corner of the men's clothing department with about a dozen other employees until police yelled to get out of the store.

    Fidler said he did not see the shooting but saw a person lying still by an elevator as he was leaving the store.

    A woman who answered the phone at an Old Navy store said 20 to 30 customers were huddled with employees in a back storeroom.

    "All we know was people were running and screaming down the hallway by Von Maur saying there was a shooting, and then they locked us down," said the woman, who said her name was Heidi.

    Police were allowing some people to leave the mall, but no one was permitted to enter.

    President Bush was in town Wednesday for a fundraiser in Omaha, but left about an hour before the shooting.


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    http://www.ketv.com/news/14782867/detail.html

    OMAHA, Neb. -- [/b]A viewer photo shows a man in handcuffs after shots were fired inside the Von Maur store at Westroads Mall on Wednesday afternoon.Earlier, police said a young black man was being sought as the suspected shooter. A description of the shooter, broadcast over scanners, was that he was in an Army-green vest and was holding a rifle. The viewer's photo showed a young black man in fatigues surrounded by police and apparently in handcuffs. Police have not yet confirmed an arrest.KETV NewsWatch 7's Carol Kloss said she could see a man in cuffs and a black, hooded sweatshirt surrounded by police.

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    More proof why you should NEVER carry a gun. Just call the police and they'll save you. (sarcasm)

    Seriously though, I would hate to be one of those 20-30 people huddled together in the Old Navy storeroom. Talk about feeling helpless! Hopefully not too many people were hurt.

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    I don't know why, but I'm sure that strict gun laws are to blame.



    (notice the lack of asarcasm emoticon)

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    Hey, I thought unarmed security gaurds knew all types of karate style moves that could have stopped this guy?


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    Joined:Sun Nov 25th, 2007 Location:Lynnwood, Washington USA Posts:12 Status: Offline Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2007 12:39 am QuoteReply Are you idiots joking???? How many unarmed "security" guards do you see in Casinos, Night Clubs and Bars that can handle the f'n situation without being armed?

    It's all in training....Hand to hand combat (Our military is trained in this), martial arts, boxing, etc. A confident unarmed security officer that has been trained can make almost any area secure. But like the point brought up earlier yes there are limitations. But as far as a mall setting it is true 90% of the crime that happens there the offender is unarmed, thus unarmed security. You would have to be real justified to pull your sidearm on a little girl who just shoplifted some hairclips. Or pulling your sidearm on the kids you find smoking pot in there car.Most of the goal of unarmed security is to deter crime by physical presence. Yes there is a need for armed security as well. Armored car personel working with lots of cash, yes armed security. Shoplifters from Claires or other girly stores, Sears, and other stores unarmed security. So to clarify it yes need for both.:celebrate

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    http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=7455348

    There are possibly two suspects. One of them may be among the dead. Radio reports indicate one person has a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Another suspect may be in custody - according to police reports. Police are asking everyone to stay away from the area. The neighborhoods around the mall are believed to be safe. Police are asking anyone in their cars outside the mall to stay inside their cars.

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    Does anyone know about the grenade that was found in the parking lot a week ago? I heard there was a bomb squad called (this was reported on the news).......

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=7455348

    There are possibly two suspects. One of them may be among the dead. Radio reports indicate one person has a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Another suspect may be in custody - according to police reports. Police are asking everyone to stay away from the area. The neighborhoods around the mall are believed to be safe. Police are asking anyone in their cars outside the mall to stay inside their cars.
    Thanks for the cite, Doug.

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    CNN reports 9 dead, 5 injured. One dead male shooter with self inflicted wound.........

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    BREAKING NEWS
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    OMAHA, Neb. - A sniper opened fire at a busy Omaha mall, killing at least eight people, injuring at least five others and then killing himself, police officials said.

    Witnesses told NBC affiliate WOWT-TV that the shooter pointed a gun over a third-floor railing at Westroads Mall and opened fire. He then fatally shot himself, the station reported. Police locked the mall down in the aftermath.

    At least three were taken to local trauma centers. A 61-year-old man was in surgery in critical condition with a gunshot wound to the chest, WOWT-TV reported. Two other people were being treated at trauma centers for less serious injuries. There was no immediate word on their conditions.


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22116784/?GT1=10645



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    There are now 9 confirmed dead, 10 if you count the shooter. As MSNBC reports.

    Apparantly the shooter was 19 years old.

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    Sorry, according to the Brady Bunch, this could NOT have happened!

    Westroads Mall is a "gun free" zone: http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pag...&u_sid=2355124(Link is getting SLAMED!)

    Few merchants see need to post no-weapons sign
    BY JOHN KEENAN WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER

    Signs you'll see at the entrance of O'Connor's Irish Pub in the Old Market:

    "Restrooms are for customers only."

    "City Council: Please Send in the Non-Smokers."

    What you won't see is a "No Concealed Weapons" sign reminding customers that bars are among the few businesses in Nebraska where it is illegal to carry a gun.

    Almost three months after the start of a state law allowing people to carry concealed weapons, signs banning guns from privately owned businesses haven't exactly popped up all over the Omaha area.

    In fact, although some chains such as Bag 'N Save have posted signs and shopping malls such as Westroads Mall have added "no weapons" clauses to their posted codes of conduct, many small businesses haven't seen the need. And at least one that did later reconsidered.

    Under the law, concealed handguns are banned from some businesses, including bars and financial institutions. Other businesses and employers can ban concealed weapons from their property by posting a sign that guns are not allowed...

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    Fox News as of now reports it was a "man with a rifle". (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315342,00.html )

    Surely they'll ban handguns now, so shoppers will feel safe. :shock:
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    Some reports have used the term, the epithet, 'automatic' rifle.

    Let the bloody danse macabre begin!

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Some reports have used the term, the epithet, 'automatic' rifle.

    Let the bloody danse macabre begin!
    Oooooh..... was it "evil looking"?

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    dngreer,

    Yeah, about all those 30 sheeple could hope for -- if theshooter foundthem -- was that he wouldn't have enough ammo tokill all 30 of them.

    It's pretty pathetic...looking to others for your own safety.

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    dngreer wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315342,00.html

    Report: At Least One Person Wounded in Omaha Mall Shooting
    Wednesday, December 05, 2007


    OMAHA, Neb.—Report: Man shot inside Omaha mall.

    At least one person was shot Wednesday inside a busy Omaha mall, local authorities are reporting.

    Police locked down the Westroads Mall while they searched for the gunman, who has been described as a young black man.
    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/05/mall.shooting/index.html

    i wonder where the reports of a "young black man came from"

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    dkd wrote:
    dngreer wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315342,00.html

    Report: At Least One Person Wounded in Omaha Mall Shooting
    Wednesday, December 05, 2007


    OMAHA, Neb.—Report: Man shot inside Omaha mall.

    At least one person was shot Wednesday inside a busy Omaha mall, local authorities are reporting.

    Police locked down the Westroads Mall while they searched for the gunman, who has been described as a young black man.
    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/05/mall.shooting/index.html

    i wonder where the reports of a "young black man came from"
    I hope to God that he didn't have a BMWAG hat on.....

    I also wonder if it was some wackjob....

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum43/6460.html






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    So, a sniper with an automatic rifle, eh? I guess it must be a large mall, so that he could make those 300yd+ sniper shots.

    While I could expect this in a place like New York, there was no one in that mall who was armed? No one?

    Oddly enough, though, it seems like FoxNews has the best story on it so far, in terms of reporting facts and not creating conclusions from those: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315342,00.html

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    imperialism2024 wrote:
    So, a sniper with an automatic rifle, eh? I guess it must be a large mall, so that he could make those 300yd+ sniper shots.

    While I could expect this in a place like New York, there was no one in that mall who was armed? No one?

    Oddly enough, though, it seems like FoxNews has the best story on it so far, in terms of reporting facts and not creating conclusions from those: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315342,00.html

    Even if I was in the mall, if I wasn't within 25 yards of the guy I am sprinting like a gazelle towards cover and eventually an exit.

    Or bunkering down like the people in the Old Navy. Except I'd try to find a short hallway outside the locked room to stake out and even the odds.

    There's no way in hell I'm trying to maneuver through cover in order to get close enough to a guy with an rifle (automatic? did they ever say) and probably a bullet proof vest and attempting to get into a shootout with my dinky .40 and two magazines.

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    The rifle used:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKS



    Edit: According to KETV

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