SeaTac apartment residents meet to discuss gun laws while open carrying

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The Seattle Gun Rights Examiner column:

http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seat...pen-carry-gathering-sends-signal-to-criminals

If that doesn't work:

http://tinyurl.com/cos5k5

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Dave, I already said I have had previous issues with Det. Urquhart, this has nothing to do with the subject matter of the day. He has proven himself (to me and my neighbors at the time) to be unreliable, not helpful in any way and made it perfectly clear we were not going to have any help from his department with a matter of child safety in our neighborhood (which his department REFUSED to investigate), even though the person in question was a KNOWN child molester. Later that year, the person in question was caught by one our neighborhood watch people and Urquhart was forced to arrest the man. Too bad another child in my neighborhood had to be molested before Urquhart would listen to us. The man in question had a long history of molesting children dating back to 1976, but he wouldn't listen to us at all.
"Just doing my job, sir" was all we were told. Meanwhile our children had to get counseling.
A little bitter? maybe, but it could have been avoided by confronting the guy , maybe he would have stopped, maybe not. The guy had stacks of home-made child porn in his house with children from our neighborhood in it. SICK!
I only thank whomever is in charge of this universe that my son listened to me and didn't go to that house.

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Dave Workman wrote:

The Seattle Gun Rights Examiner column:

http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m3d29-SeaTac-open-carry-gathering-sends-signal-to-criminals

If that doesn't work:

http://tinyurl.com/cos5k5

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Good article Dave.

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Bugly"

This happened when?
You may need to check state statute, and department regs about how cops can handle this sort of thing.

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Does anyone have any better pics to post .I was in a hurry and didn't do so hot in the pic dept.

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Does anyone have any better pics to post .I was in a herry and didn't do so hot in the pic dept.

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Does anyone have any better pics to post .I was in a hurry and didn't do so hot in the pic dept.

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Does anyone have any better pics to post .I was in a hurry and didn't do so hot in the pic dept.

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I totally agree with Joeroket, sv_libertarion, Dave Workman and other simmilar comments regarding John Urquhart's statement he is just telling the truth and interpretting the .270 By the way John Urquhart is not my buddy or something that I am defendng his statement. I am just chipping in my opinion.

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I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion on Det. Urquhart, I'm sure he's "just following the rules", no problem, but when the police are NOT allowed to protect the public, due to policy, we have to protect ourselves, and telling people they need to "think long and hard" about a decision that is a "God-given, Constitutionally-protected right", I think he may have worded that a little better. It seems very demeaning to me that I have to get "permission" from someone that can't work outside the box.

BTW, this happened in 2001, there were 2 guys doing this in our neighborhood, the boys in the neighborhood were all being approached by one of the men and subsequently they told their parents (even though the boys were told they would be killed if they talked), we made several complaints to the KCP and were told that they wouldn't do anything unless there was PHYSICAL EVIDENCE (that's waaaaaay too late for my liking, since the guy was already not legally supposed to be near children).
Lets just say, the KCP really dropped the ball on this one and our children payed the price for it, but, at least there was no breach of "policy".:banghead::banghead::banghead:

(edited to answer Dave's question)

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Who said you had to get Urquhart's opinion?
I tell people they ought to put a great deal of thought into packing guns for personal protection. That's why I wrote Washington State Gun Rights & Responsibilities
It sort of helps the process along.

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I agree, Dave, like I said before, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. Just pointing out that he could have made a better statement and he has a history of follow-through issues.
When it comes to the safety of my kid or anyone else's for that matter, I get really worked up when those supposedly hired to "keep the peace" are too busy pulling people over for non-victim issues.
I still can't figure out why it's more important to issue a traffic citation for a busted license plate light than it is to find a serial rapist or bank robber.
I guess traffic is safer and most people don't fight back on those, so it must be a revenue item instead of "doing the right thing"?

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As the point was made earlier all in all we did get our message out there.He did in fact at least say it is legal and now a whole lot more folks know that.Debating what he sheriff said was not the point of this meeting.It was community,OC doing something for and in the community,and gaining exposure.Now is the time to keep the momentum.What is next. Possibly a monster OC trash pick up and street clean up Downtown. OR OC feeds the homeless. I am working with a major King Veterans organization at Qwest field next week and will explore those and other possibilities with some major players.

I was also invited to participate in a town hall meeting with councilman Bob Fergeson on wed .I will see where that will lead.

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Well I think we had the desired effect.I had a couple of residents and the maintinance guy tell me we did a great job.One fellow that had told me about excessive traffic in his building has slowed to nothing and a couple of the questionable types constantly looking out the window.Then they saw me talking with a Seatac PD officer while I had my side arm and he was giving me a way to go.He said you wouldn,t believe the criminal activity around here.He was just patroling through.Some of the neighbors also saw that he said NOTHING about my weapon.Now we need some follow up.Maybe I could talk a couple of you into just a neighborhood patrol one day or night.Just to keep visible.

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and telling people they need to "think long and hard" about a decision that is a "God-given, Constitutionally-protected right", I think he may have worded that a little better. It seems very demeaning to me that I have to get "permission" from someone that can't work outside the box.

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To imply that he meant you need permission to carry a gun is absurd. He did not.

As to thinking long and hard about exercising a right: There's a lot of people who should think long and hard before opening their mouths or typing words on a keyboard, but don't. I don't see why the same shouldn't apply to carrying a gun.

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The event was successful and presented open carry in a positive light. It garnered some publicity that open carry is legal in Washington State and that people were discussing personal safety and the roll guns can play in. I don't see how much more could have been gained from a single event. So lets focus on the positive and give those with raised eyebrows time to digest the idea that citizens can be responsible for themselves.

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irfner wrote:

The event was successful and presented open carry in a positive light. It garnered some publicity that open carry is legal in Washington State and that people were discussing personal safety and the roll guns can play in. I don't see how much more could have been gained from a single event. So lets focus on the positive and give those with raised eyebrows time to digest the idea that citizens can be responsible for themselves.

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Thanks irfner much appreciated.

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I think instead of arguing on who said what etc we should concentrate on pulling out more events like this before this event get lost in everybodies memories, Guys lets join our wise heads together and plan somethingbetter and get some more productive results. I am open for your suggestions

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Amen on that Manu....I was invited to speak for example ata Seattle city hall council meeting downtown this week .I,m going to float some ideas by some folks.we need as Manu said to keep the momentum.