TSA begins random road inspections in Tennessee, First State To Fight Terrorism Stat

[HandyHamlet]

Voting Independent/Third Party?

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

[snip]

The Liberals are stupid and have confused Imperialism for Capitalism, and the Conservatives are just as stupid for supporting Imperialism and falsely calling it Capitalism because they're also too stupid to know the difference.... Both parties so blinded by the ahte their factions have taught them, that they can't see that they are both making the same mistake, and are actually on the same team... Divided and conquered by their own decision to prioritize hate over intellect.
[snip]

Different sides of the same damn coin.

That being stated: If you have an issue with the TSA then vote for the other 'party'. Better yet, if you do this --->:banghead:, you just might be more successful in your political, ideological endeavors, considering the politics we have descended into.

 

[ixtow]

Different sides of the same damn coin.

That being stated: If you have an issue with the TSA then vote for the other 'party'. Better yet, if you do this --->:banghead:, you just might be more successful in your political, ideological endeavors, considering the politics we have descended into.

I'm voting for Yours Truly. My ex wife says I'd make the perfect president... Hahaha!

 

[Gunslinger]

What most people don't realize is that 99% of ALL traffic stops are illegal. Since "transportation laws" only cover "transport" (which is defined in State and Federal law as commercial travel, NOT personal or private locomotion) almost ALL "traffic laws"--including speeding and marker light "violations" only apply to commercial vehicles.

Before you are even handed a citation, most officers have committed at least 5 procedural violations according to state and federal law, and therefore, if you contest on those grounds--NOT the factual nature of the stop in the first place, but the fact that your rights were violated under color of law from the start--many cases will be tossed by a judge, unless you live in a state that is wholesale bought-and-paid-for like MD or CA...

Most state radar "speed enforcement" laws are written that the cop has to first identify by information and belief that you are speeding. He then may use the radar to determine by how much. By pure statutory action, a cop driving down the road with his Ka band on cannot determine how fast oncoming traffic is going by independent means. Therefore, when he sees you are doing 70 in a 55 on the radar screen, he has violated procedures and the ticket is technically unlawful. Traffic "courts" look the other way on this and let the cop violate procedure on a regular basis. In traffic, he has to independently pick out who the radar is clocking. If a Corvette is driving faster than the truck he is passing, the radar does not pick him out, but the more solid return of the truck until the Vette is well past it. Radar tickets can and are defeated in court, if the defendant has knowledge of the law and the technical aspect of radar. Laser is much harder to defeat in court, as the beam is narrow and targeted at only one car. Still, it can be done as laser has specific requirements to affirm its valid reading.

 

[Sheldon]

Put them in the US Muslim capital.... Detroit, but here they have no authority and were kicked out of a train station in Florida by the station master a few months back.

 

[Alexcabbie]

Just my rwo cents worth on the completely unrelated to anything the original topic is addressing or, for that matter this forum is for disccussing. subject of the difference betwen these "occupiers" and the TEA party:

At TEA party rallies no one throws water balloons filled with a slurry of urine and feces at the cops.
At TEA party events, nobody EVER craps on a cop car or an American flag.
Nobody gets raped, molested, beaten up or even murdered at a TEA party event.
TEA partiers NEVER try to prevent people from going to work. They NEVER push old ladies down on the sidewalk or trap people in buildings.
The TEA party has a coherent message, they are not the Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything (S.W.I.N.E.) that these occupiers are.

And just by the bye, why in hell aren't these occupiers indignant about the greedy colleges and universities charging all this money and necessitating student loans for SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR IN TUITION MONIES???? Why aren't they protesting THAT mess of "greed"? HUH?

Sixty thousand dollars a year for a major in "women's studies"? Sheesh. Who knew Home Economics was so damn expensive to teach???

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

Just my rwo cents worth on the completely unrelated to anything the original topic is addressing or, for that matter this forum is for disccussing. subject of the difference betwen these "occupiers" and the TEA party:

At TEA party rallies no one throws water balloons filled with a slurry of urine and feces at the cops.
At TEA party events, nobody EVER craps on a cop car or an American flag.
Nobody gets raped, molested, beaten up or even murdered at a TEA party event.
TEA partiers NEVER try to prevent people from going to work. They NEVER push old ladies down on the sidewalk or trap people in buildings.
The TEA party has a coherent message, they are not the Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything (S.W.I.N.E.) that these occupiers are.

And just by the bye, why in hell aren't these occupiers indignant about the greedy colleges and universities charging all this money and necessitating student loans for SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR IN TUITION MONIES???? Why aren't they protesting THAT mess of "greed"? HUH?

Sixty thousand dollars a year for a major in "women's studies"? Sheesh. Who knew Home Economics was so damn expensive to teach???

You have to break a few eggs to make an...well, something. 'tea party' hacks, and Occupy Wally Street hacks don't have the nerve to see any of this through. The flame will be spent in time, just like the 'tea party' blue dart came, and gone.

 

[SgtScott31]

Most state radar "speed enforcement" laws are written that the cop has to first identify by information and belief that you are speeding. He then may use the radar to determine by how much. By pure statutory action, a cop driving down the road with his Ka band on cannot determine how fast oncoming traffic is going by independent means. Therefore, when he sees you are doing 70 in a 55 on the radar screen, he has violated procedures and the ticket is technically unlawful. Traffic "courts" look the other way on this and let the cop violate procedure on a regular basis. In traffic, he has to independently pick out who the radar is clocking. If a Corvette is driving faster than the truck he is passing, the radar does not pick him out, but the more solid return of the truck until the Vette is well past it. Radar tickets can and are defeated in court, if the defendant has knowledge of the law and the technical aspect of radar. Laser is much harder to defeat in court, as the beam is narrow and targeted at only one car. Still, it can be done as laser has specific requirements to affirm its valid reading.

I hate to continue this thread, but your information is wrong. LEOs go through RADAR training, but the whole purpose is to learn visual estimations of vehicle speed within 5 mph. RADAR is only a confirmation tool. I would be glad to escort you around in my vehicle and show you I can estimate vehicle speeds all day long within 5 mph without reading the RADAR. We have to get ten vehicle speeds correct before we're allowed to pass the class. It takes very little time to get the speeds right. After a few years most officers, especially those that work traffic, have no problems estimating correct vehicle speeds. Considering that I don't even stop someone until they're at least 15 over, it's not hard at all to find someone speeding without RADAR, LIDAR (laser) or VASCAR. As far as RADAR defeated in court - does it happen? probably as much as one struck by lightning. We're not dealing with people driving 5 - 10 mph over the posted limit. Sit in your area traffic court one day and you will quickly learn that most speed citations have minimum speeds of 13+ over.

 

[Daylen]

You have to break a few eggs to make an...well, something. 'tea party' hacks, and Occupy Wally Street hacks don't have the nerve to see any of this through. The flame will be spent in time, just like the 'tea party' blue dart came, and gone.

Tea party gone? just like it didn't matter back in '10 until the elections and after it contributed to a smaller GOP win even though it was the biggest across the board win since what the 50's or 60s?

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

Tea party gone? just like it didn't matter back in '10 until the elections and after it contributed to a smaller GOP win even though it was the biggest across the board win since what the 50's or 60s?

GOP over-played their hand, along with their so-called 'tea party'. It is going to be an interesting thing to watch November 02, 2012.

 

[MilProGuy]

Just my rwo cents worth on the completely unrelated to anything the original topic is addressing or, for that matter this forum is for disccussing. subject of the difference betwen these "occupiers" and the TEA party:

At TEA party rallies no one throws water balloons filled with a slurry of urine and feces at the cops.
At TEA party events, nobody EVER craps on a cop car or an American flag.
Nobody gets raped, molested, beaten up or even murdered at a TEA party event.
TEA partiers NEVER try to prevent people from going to work. They NEVER push old ladies down on the sidewalk or trap people in buildings.
The TEA party has a coherent message, they are not the Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything (S.W.I.N.E.) that these occupiers are.

And just by the bye, why in hell aren't these occupiers indignant about the greedy colleges and universities charging all this money and necessitating student loans for SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR IN TUITION MONIES???? Why aren't they protesting THAT mess of "greed"? HUH?

Sixty thousand dollars a year for a major in "women's studies"? Sheesh. Who knew Home Economics was so damn expensive to teach???

No additional comments...but just felt like Alexcabbie's insightful remarks deserved a second posting.

Thank you, sir.

 

[HandyHamlet]

I'm voting for Yours Truly. My ex wife says I'd make the perfect president... Hahaha!

Dude. You've got my vote.

 

[Badger Johnson]

Just to be obnoxious (against the TSA, not you guys), here's a headline from 2007 on them I'd like to rant about:

VIPR Teams Enhance Security at Major Local Transportation Facilities


Oh, how special. The only thing is, "Enhancing Security" is what they're SAYING. There's no evidence they're actually doing that. IOW they're feeding us a line, all the while invading privacy, stealing from baggage, stalking cute females, bullying. Things get through all test screening. Agents are NOT professionals, but 'dregs', typically (guys who couldn't get a real LEO-related job).

I love how then can just SAY that and the 4th Estate, swallows it up and begs for more. (actually, I blame the newspaper for not being more circumspect)

Here's a newsflash TSA: Saying you're enhancing security is a FAR cry from actually doing it.

I'm all for a domestic anti-terrorism organization that follows law and does their job, but these guys are ridiculous - all hot air, all bluster and making grandmas in wheelchairs take off their shoes. /rant

$.02

 

[Citizen]

SNIP The only thing is, "Enhancing Security" is what they're SAYING.

Oh, the gunverment loves nice vague words like "enhancing". Make people take off their shoes to inspect for whatever, and there is probably some way you could call it enhancing security. But, did it actually accomplish anything significant?

TSSA uses the word enhanced because it can't really be argued with and changes the premise to their advantage.

 

[Gunslinger]

I hate to continue this thread, but your information is wrong. LEOs go through RADAR training, but the whole purpose is to learn visual estimations of vehicle speed within 5 mph. RADAR is only a confirmation tool. I would be glad to escort you around in my vehicle and show you I can estimate vehicle speeds all day long within 5 mph without reading the RADAR. We have to get ten vehicle speeds correct before we're allowed to pass the class. It takes very little time to get the speeds right. After a few years most officers, especially those that work traffic, have no problems estimating correct vehicle speeds. Considering that I don't even stop someone until they're at least 15 over, it's not hard at all to find someone speeding without RADAR, LIDAR (laser) or VASCAR. As far as RADAR defeated in court - does it happen? probably as much as one struck by lightning. We're not dealing with people driving 5 - 10 mph over the posted limit. Sit in your area traffic court one day and you will quickly learn that most speed citations have minimum speeds of 13+ over.

I've beaten radar speeding tickets in court twice, on procedural grounds. And had the other reduced to 5 over--which I admitted to, from 15. However, with my legal training and expertise in radar, I'm not an average opponent in court. I have no doubt an experienced cop is good at estimating speeds--at the correct offset. You cannot extimate a vehicle coming straight at you, however, which is what I was talking about--and the statutes governing use of radar as secondary confirmation, if you will. A good police officer will cut those going less than 10 over--no other factors, a break everytime. I've had several do so. I also beat a radar detector ticket in VA. That happens as often as one being struck by lightning...

 

[Brimstone Baritone]

How did this thread get turned into a Wall Street/Occupy movement issue? Time to close it up in my opinion.

The topic is dead, long live the topic. Conversations flow naturally in the real world, why not here? Besides, if all you do is click the blue button for the new posts, the topic is whatever the last guy was talking about.

 

[ixtow]

At TEA party rallies no one throws water balloons filled with a slurry of urine and feces at the cops.

Imagine the difficulty they had in creating it...

I respect the person who does this more than the person who doesn't.

 

[DocWalker]

Imagine the difficulty they had in creating it...

I respect the person who does this more than the person who doesn't.

WOW, you have never had feces and urine thrown on you then.

I have had both from sick patients and while working in a max security state prison. What your saying is you respect all those murder's and rapists that do this in prison also? It is sick and wrong not to mention the heath risks.

I respect someone that keeps their crap to themselves more than those that want to fling it around.

 

[Daylen]

Imagine the difficulty they had in creating it...

I respect the person who does this more than the person who doesn't.

Such a person is not deserving of respect, they have no manners, hygiene, lawfulness or respect for their fellow man. Were it not for the police these people are attacking, I expect the scat throwers would have been dead long ago.

 

[ixtow]

WOW, you have never had feces and urine thrown on you then.

I've never been such a horrible person that I deserved it. Were I one of these cops, I'd have no part to complain as I would deserve that and so much more.