marshaul
Campaign Veteran
Just my 2C
Hey, thanks for your perspective.
One of these days I will own a Hi-Power.
Just my 2C
Another reason to carry in condition 1:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?88604-Reason-to-Carry-One-in-the-Chamber
It is not a moot point for a couple of reasons.
1. you are assuming that every jackass who lowers his hammer will have his finger off the trigger.
2. You yourself mention the danger the instant the trigger is pulled.
3. The MANUFACTURES state that damage can happen to the gun, AND it is unsafe.
If a person is not confident enough to carry your firearm in the correct ready manner then they dont need to be carrying.
Hey, thanks for your perspective.
One of these days I will own a Hi-Power.
Carrying in condition two may not be unsafe. Putting a 1911 into condition two is.
Thought I said that.
It is a "moot point" because with the larger safety there is no reason to carry other than condition 1. Jackasses are always going to be jackasses. I trust Darwin to remedy that eventually. What manufacturer are you referring to that says 'damage' can occur to the pistol and what damage? Carrying condition 2 is not unsafe. Going from full to half cock, as I said, is potentially. Again, I don't advocate it--especially on modern safety equipped pistols, simply mention it has been practiced by professionals on the HP for many years.
This thread comes up every couple weeks. The opinions are the same, and the same slightly incorrect facts need to be corrected for history's sake every time. I wish people could search.
Secondarily, and only after the army requested the addition of a thumb safety (not the grip safety, as is frequently and erroneously repeated -- see the 1910 prototype) for use by cavalry troops. Condition 2 was the primary intended mode of carry by JMB, unpopular today though that may be.
This really isn't open to dispute. If 5 seconds of looking at the design don't reveal this truth, JMB's patent application should take care of it:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...911-carriers&p=1449717&viewfull=1#post1449717
Try it out with an empty gun. The grip safety prevents the trigger from depressing unless it is depressed by the palm.
Well if you read up a few posts. I posted word for word from Colt and Kimber.
The second post on this page.
The 1911A went to many who were 'imprinted' with the reflex action of thumbing the hammer of an SAA .45. All this 'Condition' stuff was never heard of 'till Jeff Cooper made it up sometime back in the early '60's as I recall. Back then... while on watch we carried loaded on half cock notch. (Condition 2). In 'Nam I carried half-cock notch (flying). It's not brain surgery to decock a loaded 1911A1. It takes two hands tho. All the guys I knew from WWII and Korea said they usually carried on 'the notch'. 'cause it's faster, quieter and... that's the way they trained. These days I carry Cond 1... but still prefer Cond 2.
It's not brain surgery to decock a loaded 1911A1. It takes two hands tho.
Condition 0 also works, and the gun still won't fire unless you want it to (pull the trigger).
I don't carry a 1911 and I have not fired one in over 20 years. And that was just to get rid of several dozen rounds of .45 left over from the qualification range I was working as a young soldier. So, could you explain for those of us that are not knowledgeable about 1911s what Condition 0 is on them?
condition 0 is ready to fire, nothing else to do except pull the trigger
" 1 is ready to fire, but safety is on
" 2 is ready to fire, but hammer is down
" 3 is not ready to fire, but magazine is inserted with no round in the chamber
" 4 is not ready to fire, magazine is completely removed from gun and no round in chamber
Thanks, I understood Conditions 1-4.
Guess that makes my Glock always in Condition 0, with no possibility of Condition 1 or 2.
Even if you do train properly, there is still that extra 1.5 seconds of you doing something before you can even prepare to get a shot off.
Also, keep in mind that you will have adrenaline pumping through you, and you will not be able to do small motor functions easily, even if you do train.
There have been several training scenarios where people who are carrying in condition 3 are unable to pull off a 'shot' before they get stabbed, if not multiple times.
What if your second arm is wounded, and your unable to function with it? How are you going to draw the slide on the gun? Remove all extraneous variables, and the only thing that you'll have to do is thumb the safety.
Hey, Sonora Rebel, I always like to hear first hand experiences of carrying the 1911 in combat.
Have you read JMB's patent? Take a look at page 7, paragraph beginning at line 8.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=Nd...urce=gbs_overview_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Interestingly enough, even though I had to have this pointed out to me, the 1911 has always been designed to be decocked with one hand. Pulling the hammer all the way back with the thumb depresses the grip safety, and the trigger can then be pulled, and the hammer lowered with the thumb.Now, it's definitely safer to do it with two hands, but it is possible to do it with one quite easily. Give it a try!