ACLU Recuiting in Fremont

[thewise1]

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Z06 wrote:

Will the ACLUdefend you if you haveyour4th Amendment rightsviolated with law enforcement while OC'ing?

Did the ACLU do anything todefend the citizens of New Orleans who had their 4th Amendment rights violated?

Does their stance on the 2nd Amendment also determine when your other rights might or might not be violated?

Yes

Not sure. I tried to google it, and found plenty of results for 'ACLU 4th amendment new orleans' but I assume you were referring to Katrina, right?

I don't understand this question. If you're asking if their stance on the 2nd amendment will result in them not defending your 4th - as an example - then the answer is no. I remember reading about instances where they got involved in situations like that as well.

 

[thewise1]

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BlaineG wrote:

Dear Heavens, Liberals, pick a point, focus on it like a laser beam and engage.....we went from ACLU and your gun rights to somehow belittling my 20 years of Military Service....so at this point, you all being scared of me and all, youcan KMA until you want to discuss an issue point by point without personally dragging stuff thru the mud...... This is demeaning and way below me.

You misspelled libertarian as liberal again.

PS - your military service is not off limits if you can claim we hate America and all the other personal attacks you made. I can't even express the disdain I have for ignorant old men like yourself, and I generally have extreme respect for my elders, until they display behavior that proves they don't deserve it.

 

[Bear 45/70]

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thewise1 wrote:

BlaineG wrote:

Dear Heavens, Liberals, pick a point, focus on it like a laser beam and engage.....we went from ACLU and your gun rights to somehow belittling my 20 years of Military Service....so at this point, you all being scared of me and all, youcan KMA until you want to discuss an issue point by point without personally dragging stuff thru the mud...... This is demeaning and way below me.

You misspelled libertarian as liberal again.

PS - your military service is not off limits if you can claim we hate America and all the other personal attacks you made. I can't even express the disdain I have for ignorant old men like yourself, and I generally have extreme respect for my elders, until they display behavior that proves they don't deserve it.

Blaine, The sure sign that your opponent has lost is when he starts nit picking your spelling to preface anything he has to say, so as to distract you from his non-sensual comments.

 

[BlaineG]

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thewise1 wrote:

BlaineG wrote:

Dear Heavens, Liberals, pick a point, focus on it like a laser beam and engage.....we went from ACLU and your gun rights to somehow belittling my 20 years of Military Service....so at this point, you all being scared of me and all, youcan KMA until you want to discuss an issue point by point without personally dragging stuff thru the mud...... This is demeaning and way below me.

You misspelled libertarian as liberal again.

PS - your military service is not off limits if you can claim we hate America and all the other personal attacks you made. I can't even express the disdain I have for ignorant old men like yourself, and I generally have extreme respect for my elders, until they display behavior that proves they don't deserve it.

So then, you choose NOT to engage on a point by point discussion of ACLU v. Gun Rights......No problem. I'll bet you're real young and I really have no need of your respect. I have the respect of my peers and friends, all of which have pimples on their behinds more useful than your ilk. If you wish to have a point by point discussion, please PM me and we might continue.

 

[thewise1]

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Bear 45/70 wrote:

thewise1 wrote:

BlaineG wrote:

Dear Heavens, Liberals, pick a point, focus on it like a laser beam and engage.....we went from ACLU and your gun rights to somehow belittling my 20 years of Military Service....so at this point, you all being scared of me and all, youcan KMA until you want to discuss an issue point by point without personally dragging stuff thru the mud...... This is demeaning and way below me.

You misspelled libertarian as liberal again.

PS - your military service is not off limits if you can claim we hate America and all the other personal attacks you made. I can't even express the disdain I have for ignorant old men like yourself, and I generally have extreme respect for my elders, until they display behavior that proves they don't deserve it.

Blaine, The sure sign that your opponent has lost is when he starts nit picking your spelling to preface anything he has to say, so as to distract you from his non-sensual comments.

Funny, you're not comprehending either. Do you know the difference between libertarian and liberal?

edit: and non-sensual

L.O.L.

 

[thewise1]

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BlaineG wrote:

thewise1 wrote:

BlaineG wrote:

Dear Heavens, Liberals, pick a point, focus on it like a laser beam and engage.....we went from ACLU and your gun rights to somehow belittling my 20 years of Military Service....so at this point, you all being scared of me and all, youcan KMA until you want to discuss an issue point by point without personally dragging stuff thru the mud...... This is demeaning and way below me.

You misspelled libertarian as liberal again.

PS - your military service is not off limits if you can claim we hate America and all the other personal attacks you made. I can't even express the disdain I have for ignorant old men like yourself, and I generally have extreme respect for my elders, until they display behavior that proves they don't deserve it.

So then, you choose NOT to engage on a point by point discussion of ACLU v. Gun Rights......No problem. I'll bet you're real young and I really have no need of your respect. I have the respect of my peers and friends, all of which have pimples on their behinds more useful than your ilk. If you wish to have a point by point discussion, please PM me and we might continue.

I already have with others in this thread. Not my fault you're incapable of using anything but hyperbole and logical fallacy in your arguments, sir.

 

[Bear 45/70]

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thewise1 wrote:

BlaineG wrote:

thewise1 wrote:

BlaineG wrote:

Dear Heavens, Liberals, pick a point, focus on it like a laser beam and engage.....we went from ACLU and your gun rights to somehow belittling my 20 years of Military Service....so at this point, you all being scared of me and all, youcan KMA until you want to discuss an issue point by point without personally dragging stuff thru the mud...... This is demeaning and way below me.

You misspelled libertarian as liberal again.

PS - your military service is not off limits if you can claim we hate America and all the other personal attacks you made. I can't even express the disdain I have for ignorant old men like yourself, and I generally have extreme respect for my elders, until they display behavior that proves they don't deserve it.

So then, you choose NOT to engage on a point by point discussion of ACLU v. Gun Rights......No problem. I'll bet you're real young and I really have no need of your respect. I have the respect of my peers and friends, all of which have pimples on their behinds more useful than your ilk. If you wish to have a point by point discussion, please PM me and we might continue.

I already have with others in this thread. Not my fault you're incapable of using anything but hyperbole and logical fallacy in your arguments, sir.

Then come the big and fancywords to try and impress you. Blaine, are you impressed yey?

 

[thewise1]

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Bear 45/70 wrote:

thewise1 wrote:

BlaineG wrote:

thewise1 wrote:

BlaineG wrote:

Dear Heavens, Liberals, pick a point, focus on it like a laser beam and engage.....we went from ACLU and your gun rights to somehow belittling my 20 years of Military Service....so at this point, you all being scared of me and all, youcan KMA until you want to discuss an issue point by point without personally dragging stuff thru the mud...... This is demeaning and way below me.

You misspelled libertarian as liberal again.

PS - your military service is not off limits if you can claim we hate America and all the other personal attacks you made. I can't even express the disdain I have for ignorant old men like yourself, and I generally have extreme respect for my elders, until they display behavior that proves they don't deserve it.

So then, you choose NOT to engage on a point by point discussion of ACLU v. Gun Rights......No problem. I'll bet you're real young and I really have no need of your respect. I have the respect of my peers and friends, all of which have pimples on their behinds more useful than your ilk. If you wish to have a point by point discussion, please PM me and we might continue.

I already have with others in this thread. Not my fault you're incapable of using anything but hyperbole and logical fallacy in your arguments, sir.

Then come the big and fancywords to try and impress you. Blaine, are you impressed yey?

If hyperbole, logical, and fallacy are big fancy words to you then it's clear I'm wasting my time anyway.

 

[sv_libertarian]

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This seems fitting. I do it myself plenty of times! (Not so much now that the local liberal wacko blog kicked me off...)

 

[Bear 45/70]

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thewise1 wrote:

Bear 45/70 wrote:

thewise1 wrote:

BlaineG wrote:

thewise1 wrote:

BlaineG wrote:

Dear Heavens, Liberals, pick a point, focus on it like a laser beam and engage.....we went from ACLU and your gun rights to somehow belittling my 20 years of Military Service....so at this point, you all being scared of me and all, youcan KMA until you want to discuss an issue point by point without personally dragging stuff thru the mud...... This is demeaning and way below me.

You misspelled libertarian as liberal again.

PS - your military service is not off limits if you can claim we hate America and all the other personal attacks you made. I can't even express the disdain I have for ignorant old men like yourself, and I generally have extreme respect for my elders, until they display behavior that proves they don't deserve it.

So then, you choose NOT to engage on a point by point discussion of ACLU v. Gun Rights......No problem. I'll bet you're real young and I really have no need of your respect. I have the respect of my peers and friends, all of which have pimples on their behinds more useful than your ilk. If you wish to have a point by point discussion, please PM me and we might continue.

I already have with others in this thread. Not my fault you're incapable of using anything but hyperbole and logical fallacy in your arguments, sir.

Then come the big and fancywords to try and impress you. Blaine, are you impressed yey?

If hyperbole, logical, and fallacy are big fancy words to you then it's clear I'm wasting my time anyway.

Most assuredly, you are a waste of time. This is almost to easy,the fun is going out of it fast.

 

[BlaineG]

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Hey, Fred....."They" don't realize that you and I are rougher on each other than they could ever dream possible:cuss: I just wish "they" would stick to the thread topic: Gun Rights v. ACLU. The Utah chapter is on board with the Individual Right thing, but that's as far as it goes. The Liberals on the ACLU (and don't tell me how to spell it:cuss do not like guns, therefore the ACLU is not going to give much help to us. I've been trying to find a case where the ACLU supported the 2A, and I don't think it's there. The ACLU is for all the Rights just like Military Justice is all about the justice:banghead:

 

[Bear 45/70]

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BlaineG wrote:

Hey, Fred....."They" don't realize that you and I are rougher on each other than they could ever dream possible:cuss: I just wish "they" would stick to the thread topic: Gun Rights v. ACLU. The Utah chapter is on board with the Individual Right thing, but that's as far as it goes. The Liberals on the ACLU (and don't tell me how to spell it:cuss do not like guns, therefore the ACLU is not going to give much help to us. I've been trying to find a case where the ACLU supported the 2A, and I don't think it's there. The ACLU is for all the Rights just like Military Justice is all about the justice:banghead:

 

[marshaul]

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BlaineG wrote:

Dear Heavens, Liberals, pick a point, focus on it like a laser beam and engage.....we went from ACLU and your gun rights to somehow belittling my 20 years of Military Service....so at this point, you all being scared of me and all, you can KMA until you want to discuss an issue point by point without personally dragging stuff thru the mud...... This is demeaning and way below me.

No one belittled your military service. You and bear brought it up -- and continue to bring it up -- as a red herring and an appeal to authority. I will no longer refer to your military service, it's way off-topic.

 

[Bear 45/70]

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marshaul wrote:

BlaineG wrote:

Dear Heavens, Liberals, pick a point, focus on it like a laser beam and engage.....we went from ACLU and your gun rights to somehow belittling my 20 years of Military Service....so at this point, you all being scared of me and all, youcan KMA until you want to discuss an issue point by point without personally dragging stuff thru the mud...... This is demeaning and way below me.

No one belittled your military service. You and bear brought it up -- and continue to bring it up -- as a red herring and an appeal to authority. I will no longer refer to your military service, it's way off-topic.

All our serve proves is we put in the time and effort to keep this country safe. It also demonstrates we have much more and real life expereince that, you want all the rights but won't make an effort to make sure we keep them, types will never understand.

A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount of "up to and including his life."

 

[BlaineG]

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marshaul wrote:

BlaineG wrote:

Dear Heavens, Liberals, pick a point, focus on it like a laser beam and engage.....we went from ACLU and your gun rights to somehow belittling my 20 years of Military Service....so at this point, you all being scared of me and all, youcan KMA until you want to discuss an issue point by point without personally dragging stuff thru the mud...... This is demeaning and way below me.

No one belittled your military service. You and bear brought it up -- and continue to bring it up -- as a red herring and an appeal to authority. I will no longer refer to your military service, it's way off-topic.

Honest, all I want to talk about is the thread topic, and a couple of you want to talk about anything but....

 

[Riverdog]

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Our liberties are not won or lost in the sands of Mesopotamia or the rice paddies of Vietnam; they are surrendered one person at a time here at home. The strength of the United States, or any nation for that matter, lies in its economy which is then demonstrated through the use of a military arm. To discount any person because of lack of military service alone is shameful.

More rights are lost here in the name of safety than anything else. We're in a constant battle for 1st and 4th amendment rights as we sacrifice in the name of stopping the "terrorists". If the socialists have their way we'll have to surrender our guns because that's what comes right before democracy is rescinded. Right after the State issues us mandatory papers (see: real id). Most of these rights aren't going away because of Democrats OR Republicans; they're going away because of BOTH of them. Don't trust the government.

As for the topic at hand, we're actually gaining more gun rights as time goes on in spite of the ACLU having no active stance towards the 2A. The Bush administration let the assault gun ban expire, the Heller case and even more states recognizing carry rights. With all that happening, who gives a crap if someone is supporting an organization that actively protects our other amendments without giving up anything on the 2A? Personally I want a group that supports all personal liberties whether they are enumerated in a bill of rights or not.

And hint: nobody was correcting any spelling of liberal.

 

[BlaineG]

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SNIP: "To discount any person because of lack of military service alone is shameful."

Plus 1.... And we would never expect your applogy for not serving your country. Someone has to stay back with the women and children.

 

[marshaul]

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Wait, I thought you said you wanted to get back on-topic... Now you're bringing up that same old red herring again? :banghead:

 

[scarlett1125]

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Bear 45/70 wrote:

You are not listening.  Anybody or group that thinks the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is a buffet is our enemy.  Its all or nothing.  Remember this:

TOLERANCE is a virtue possessed by those with no conviction.


 
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Bear, hon, I usually agree with you, but this time, I'm going to have to differ. As a member of the ACLU and a supporter of the 2A, I believe that both can coexist. Let's face it: most 2A supporters are not terribly interested in the rest of the Bill of Rights-neither for themselves or anyone else. While I don't personally believe that the Bill of Rights is a buffet, I think that it is important to support anyone who defends civil liberties, especially with
the risks attached to working for the ACLU in our current political climate. That's why I am sponsoring a Student Civil Liberties Union at the college where I teach.

 

[BlaineG]

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Oh, my......2A supporters do not generally support the other enumerated rights? Oh, no....The 2nd is the Teeth of the others and they all have to have equal weight for check and balances to operate properly. The problem I have with the ACLU is that they, like the judiciary, find themselves trying to write new law, rather than support the existing law. This does NOT contribute to the proper application of checks and balances. One small example would be Roe v. Wade universally accepted as very bad law and one of the worst intrusions on states rights ever perpetrated. Somehow, whatever one wants in this life is conjured up as a "right" and the True Rights are being warped.....Unless and until the ACLU recognizes and supports all the rights equally, not just the ones championed by Liberals and Socialists, the ACLU does not deserve the support of any 2A supporter.