danbus
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So, while I was getting on the HRT bus to Suffolk, the bus driver pulled back into the parking lot, step out for a minute, asked the previous bus driver to step out, and then I noticed the HPD.
They asked me to step of the bus so they could ask me some questions.They started by disarming me (for officer safety). Of course, I told them I didn't allow the seizure of my firearm, butwas told "it's forofficer safety". First question always is, "why do you have a gun?".
I replied "It is allowed to be open carried".
Another officer asked me my name, and I refused to answer his question. Then came the long period of time of jabbering about why I need to ID myself, and the reasons why I don't have to.
One officer said that I had to be 21 or older to carry a firearm. Which I interrupted him and told him 18, however 21 to buy from a FFL. That pissed him off and he began spouting that I know the law a little bit and he was telling me the correct law.
Even a Lt. came out to play. He asked me a general question, if I was over 21, why I replied yes.
However more time passed and the Lt. was on the phone with a city attorney. After speaking to them, he came back and one of the officers stated that there was precedent and that if I didn't provide ID, they would arrest me.
"Do what you have to do" - BMWAG
So they charged me with Obstruction of justice (what justice were they looking for?) and released me on summons.
That was yesterday..........
Today I went to see the Chief of Police, however he wasn't in. I spoke to a Sgt who said he would look into the problem. Another Sgt who is in Internal Affairs said she would look into it.
But before that, they were telling me that there was a case law stating that ONLY LEO could carry with 1 in the chamber, but of course he didn't know the exact code, but he said he would get back to me.
They also said that "man with a gun" is enough "reasonable suspicion" to preform a Terry stop. I advised them other wise. We debated for a few mins, and we agreed to disagree, however I know my shit, so it's all good.
And before you say it, I know that instead of being detained (illegally) for an hour, I could have provided my ID and taken the 5 mins to run my name, but WHY?
I shouldn't be forced to hand over my papers just because they want to knowwho I am, especially when I'm not doing anything illegal. I am not a slave.
I paraphrased the story.
Please post OPINIONS and/or thoughts on the situation.
Thanks in advance.
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Oh yeah, just wanted to add that while I was shopping for a new digital recorder in MacArthur Mall, I saw 2 people.
Person 1 was a black male with double mag pouch. I asked him about it and got the 411 that he carrys a Taurus PT92. However he came off as a ass, so I didn't speak with him much. I told him about VCDL and OCDO.
Person 2 (who nameis also Dan) - was OCING a .380 High Point. Good response from him though. He knew about OCDO, and about the laws of OC. I advised him of MacArthur being "gun free" and he replied with a happy tone of "I didn't see any signs". Luckily he was just paying a cell phone bill and leaving, so not too many soccer moms would see him.
So, while I was getting on the HRT bus to Suffolk, the bus driver pulled back into the parking lot, step out for a minute, asked the previous bus driver to step out, and then I noticed the HPD.
They asked me to step of the bus so they could ask me some questions.They started by disarming me (for officer safety). Of course, I told them I didn't allow the seizure of my firearm, butwas told "it's forofficer safety". First question always is, "why do you have a gun?".
I replied "It is allowed to be open carried".
Another officer asked me my name, and I refused to answer his question. Then came the long period of time of jabbering about why I need to ID myself, and the reasons why I don't have to.
One officer said that I had to be 21 or older to carry a firearm. Which I interrupted him and told him 18, however 21 to buy from a FFL. That pissed him off and he began spouting that I know the law a little bit and he was telling me the correct law.
Even a Lt. came out to play. He asked me a general question, if I was over 21, why I replied yes.
However more time passed and the Lt. was on the phone with a city attorney. After speaking to them, he came back and one of the officers stated that there was precedent and that if I didn't provide ID, they would arrest me.
"Do what you have to do" - BMWAG
So they charged me with Obstruction of justice (what justice were they looking for?) and released me on summons.
That was yesterday..........
Today I went to see the Chief of Police, however he wasn't in. I spoke to a Sgt who said he would look into the problem. Another Sgt who is in Internal Affairs said she would look into it.
But before that, they were telling me that there was a case law stating that ONLY LEO could carry with 1 in the chamber, but of course he didn't know the exact code, but he said he would get back to me.
They also said that "man with a gun" is enough "reasonable suspicion" to preform a Terry stop. I advised them other wise. We debated for a few mins, and we agreed to disagree, however I know my shit, so it's all good.
And before you say it, I know that instead of being detained (illegally) for an hour, I could have provided my ID and taken the 5 mins to run my name, but WHY?
I shouldn't be forced to hand over my papers just because they want to knowwho I am, especially when I'm not doing anything illegal. I am not a slave.
I paraphrased the story.
Please post OPINIONS and/or thoughts on the situation.
Thanks in advance.
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Oh yeah, just wanted to add that while I was shopping for a new digital recorder in MacArthur Mall, I saw 2 people.
Person 1 was a black male with double mag pouch. I asked him about it and got the 411 that he carrys a Taurus PT92. However he came off as a ass, so I didn't speak with him much. I told him about VCDL and OCDO.
Person 2 (who nameis also Dan) - was OCING a .380 High Point. Good response from him though. He knew about OCDO, and about the laws of OC. I advised him of MacArthur being "gun free" and he replied with a happy tone of "I didn't see any signs". Luckily he was just paying a cell phone bill and leaving, so not too many soccer moms would see him.