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All the Kings horses and all the King's men can never put Maryland together again.

Neither will it's citizens. They're SHEEP! How 'bout dem Owwww's Hon? How 'bout dem Raaaaaaaaaa-vins? How 'bout 'MOM'? Y'all deserve the government you got.
 

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I never voted for this Government....does that mean I deserve it?

I think a collective effort by the many gun owner in this state could easily afford the cost of a lawsuit.....
 

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sure is easy to criticize from Arizona huh?

Fact is the MD government that is in place has been elected by 3 of the 23 counties in MD. those 3 counties are around DC (the nations capital) and Baltimore

The entire rest of Maryland votes consistently conservative.

yes we ALL deserve what we get :quirky
 

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thats part of the problem, Maryland's "so sue us" attitude takes advantage of people who can't afford to fight back in the courts.
Yeah, but it is not the state and the officers do not have qualified immunity in these cases.
In other words, it is not the state telling these officers to arrest people for loaded mags and swords, it is the officers doing it on their own. They cannot claim the "qualified immunity" and so therefore they are the ones that have to pay as well as their department (because they are supposed to know the law).
I am sure most officer don't like the idea that if they arrest someone improperly for a sword or magazine they may lose thousands of dollars out of their own pocket, but if they want to arrest people for open carry and swords and loaded mags, then maybe they have the money to waste, I dunno.

The Sorrel case was the recent precedent, so the MD police officers that told you about swords and loaded mags, tell them to go back and re-read the law first so they don't get into some serious trouble.
 

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kohburn wrote:
sure is easy to criticize from Arizona huh?

Fact is the MD government that is in place has been elected by 3 of the 23 counties in MD. those 3 counties are around DC (the nations capital) and Baltimore

The entire rest of Maryland votes consistently conservative.

yes we ALL deserve what we get :quirky
I was a native Marylander.... Yeah... I know the problem... they vote DEMOCRAT! They think DEMOCRAT. That's whyI had the good sense to ESCAPE and never return for any reason.
 

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
kohburn wrote:
sure is easy to criticize from Arizona huh?

Fact is the MD government that is in place has been elected by 3 of the 23 counties in MD. those 3 counties are around DC (the nations capital) and Baltimore

The entire rest of Maryland votes consistently conservative.

yes we ALL deserve what we get :quirky
I was a native Marylander.... Yeah... I know the problem... they vote DEMOCRAT! They think DEMOCRAT. That's whyI had the good sense to ESCAPE and never return for any reason.
I think what he was trying to say is that some of us gun owners who are still here are getting organized, but since we are still working uphill, please don't blame all of us.
I am a liberal democrat, but I vote pro gun rights. About one in four MD voters is a gun owner and all we have to do it join together for voting and the party affilitation of the politicians may not change, but the pro gun aspect sure as hell will.

Don't write us off as a lost cause and please do not blame those of us in MD that care about gunrights for the current situation.
 

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Novus Collectus wrote:
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Don't write us off as a lost cause and please do not blame those of us in MD that care about gunrights for the current situation.
No offense intended sir, but whom should we blame.

Obviously (to me at least) it is either the voters or the non-voters.

Really want to see you turn Maryland around.

Yata ehy
 

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"I am a liberal democrat, but I vote pro gun rights."

What 'gun rights'? Guns don't have rights... people do. Maryland has deliberately denied it's citizens the Right to self defense under the 2A since theYankee occupation to prevent seccession duringthe Civil War... precisely due to it's position surrounding the Capitol (DC) and that particular areas influence. Lincoln and his cronies didn't want an armed Maryland at their back door. On 'paper', MD appears to be a 'shall issue State'... or even a 'may issue State'... but we both know that story. A 'Right' however... does not require permission or license. Arms borne openly require no permission.

You tell us you're a 'Liberal Democrat'. You vote for Liberals no doubt... and you expect a different result? You... and thoseof your political bentARE the problem.
 

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
"I am a liberal democrat, but I vote pro gun rights."

What 'gun rights'? Guns don't have rights... people do. Maryland has deliberately denied it's citizens the Right to self defense under the 2A since theYankee occupation to prevent seccession duringthe Civil War... precisely due to it's position surrounding the Capitol (DC) and that particular areas influence. Lincoln and his cronies didn't want an armed Maryland at their back door. On 'paper', MD appears to be a 'shall issue State'... or even a 'may issue State'... but we both know that story. A 'Right' however... does not require permission or license. Arms borne openly require no permission.

You tell us you're a 'Liberal Democrat'. You vote for Liberals no doubt... and you expect a different result? You... and thoseof your political bentARE the problem.
You are mistaken and wrong sir.

When I say "gun rights" you know damn well I meant the RKBA and please do not imply you did not know what I meant.

As far as self defense, Maryland is a common law state still and there is a generality of a recognition of self defense in the courts. However, it is only well protected at home with the castle doctrine understanding and for a few other specific circumstances in public.
The problem is that "generally" it is difficult for a self defense with a firearm in public or it is not easy to have one for self defense in public generally speaking. (but not impossible even without a license)
Technically speaking, when not in or on a vehicle, a loaded rifle or shotgun is not prohibitted (and there is state preemption on it too for both long guns and even moreso for "regulated" long guns).

As far as my vote for liberal democrats.....DUDE!!! I do not vote for anti gun rights liberals! I have no problem voting for gun rights politicians that are moderates and if they are rampant gun rights politicians I can vote for them even if they are totally opposite my other political ideology.
One delegate specifically in mind is not my delegate and so I could not vote for him, but I would have because of the gun rights issue, but have you ever heard of delegate Dwyer?
Of course you haven't, you are on the other side of the country. Well let me tell you about this wacko, he is against almost everything I support like pro-choice, pro-gay marriage rights, prison reform, pro-social programs, etc., but I would have worked for his campaign to get elected in AA county because he is incredibly pro RKBA!!

So please, take your "you are the problem" and shove it! Some of us are actually working to change things here and are active. I go to the committee hearings for the GA to show support and sometimes tesitify in front of them, so spare me your crap!
 

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Novus Collectus wrote:
Sonora Rebel wrote:
"I am a liberal democrat, but I vote pro gun rights."

What 'gun rights'? Guns don't have rights... people do. Maryland has deliberately denied it's citizens the Right to self defense under the 2A since theYankee occupation to prevent seccession duringthe Civil War... precisely due to it's position surrounding the Capitol (DC) and that particular areas influence. Lincoln and his cronies didn't want an armed Maryland at their back door. On 'paper', MD appears to be a 'shall issue State'... or even a 'may issue State'... but we both know that story. A 'Right' however... does not require permission or license. Arms borne openly require no permission.

You tell us you're a 'Liberal Democrat'. You vote for Liberals no doubt... and you expect a different result? You... and thoseof your political bentARE the problem.
You are mistaken and wrong sir.

When I say "gun rights" you know damn well I meant the RKBA and please do not imply you did not know what I meant.

As far as self defense, Maryland is a common law state still and there is a generality of a recognition of self defense in the courts. However, it is only well protected at home with the castle doctrine understanding and for a few other specific circumstances in public.
The problem is that "generally" it is difficult for a self defense with a firearm in public or it is not easy to have one for self defense in public generally speaking. (but not impossible even without a license)
Technically speaking, when not in or on a vehicle, a loaded rifle or shotgun is not prohibitted (and there is state preemption on it too for both long guns and even moreso for "regulated" long guns).

As far as my vote for liberal democrats.....DUDE!!! I do not vote for anti gun rights liberals! I have no problem voting for gun rights politicians that are moderates and if they are rampant gun rights politicians I can vote for them even if they are totally opposite my other political ideology.
One delegate specifically in mind is not my delegate and so I could not vote for him, but I would have because of the gun rights issue, but have you ever heard of delegate Dwyer?
Of course you haven't, you are on the other side of the country. Well let me tell you about this wacko, he is against almost everything I support like pro-choice, pro-gay marriage rights, prison reform, pro-social programs, etc., but I would have worked for his campaign to get elected in AA county because he is incredibly pro RKBA!!

So please, take your "you are the problem" and shove it! Some of us are actually working to change things here and are active. I go to the committee hearings for the GA to show support and sometimes tesitify in front of them, so spare me your crap!


"...there is a generality of a recognition of self defense in the courts." Yet each time someone uses a weapon in self defense... there's ol' Sally Thorner (et al) on the tube injecting: "It's unknown if charges will be placed against (so 'n so) or that the 'gun' was registered." (Or words to that effect...) This plants the seeds of doubt... obfuscates the legitimacy and exposes the shooter to further criminal adjudication or civil litigation.It happens EVERYTIME there is a shooting.

That happened with the brothers on Washington Blvd protecting their warehouse from continual break-in's when theyambushed the perps. Or... the barber who grabbed his .38, then pursued,shot and killed an armed robber in the street in the Eastern District of Baltimore after he'd shot (and killed) the proprietor of an adjacent convienience store... and ran from the store with gun in hand.

Unless somethin's changed;there is no 'Gun Registration' in Maryland. Other than the FFL Form 4473 that goes thru the State Police. However... let me set you straight on certain freedoms YOU cannot enjoy. You can't strap on a loaded handgun publicly. You can't carry a loaded handgun in your vehicle. You can't carry a loaded long gun in your vehicle or on your person for self defense. You can't carry a concealed loaded handgun w/o the CCW that you WILL NOT be issued. You can't carry a decent length sheath knife openly. The only thing you're permitted to do is keep a weapon in your home or place of business.

You are prohibited from possessingcertain types of bearable weapons and limited as to their magazine capacity. (try to buy a 30 round mag.) You expect Liberals to change that? The State Police Chief (who approves CCW applications)is appointed by the Governor. So was the Baltimore City Police Chief (but that may have changed)... which is whywe had jurisdiction statewide when I was a cop. You expect uberlib Martin O'Mally and his kind to change that?

This 'Whacko' Dwyer sound's like a regular Conservative to me... Make me wonder who is the 'Whacko'?

Maryland is surrounded by States which are now generally'Free' relative to the 2A. PA, DE, VA, WVA... The only thing 'Free' in the 'Free State' is socialist welfare and the parasites have eaten the host. You're one of those who perform the same experiment over and over expecting a different result. 'Not gonna happen... "Dude!"
 

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"...there is a generality of a recognition of self defense in the courts." Yet each time someone uses a weapon in self defense... there's ol' Sally Thorner (et al) on the tube injecting: "It's unknown if charges will be placed against (so 'n so) or that the 'gun' was registered." (Or words to that effect...) This plants the seeds of doubt... obfuscates the legitimacy and exposes the shooter to further criminal adjudication or civil litigation.It happens EVERYTIME there is a shooting.

That happened with the brothers on Washington Blvd protecting their warehouse from continual break-in's when theyambushed the perps. Or... the barber who grabbed his .38, then pursued,shot and killed an armed robber in the street in the Eastern District of Baltimore after he'd shot (and killed) the proprietor of an adjacent convienience store... and ran from the store with gun in hand.

Unless somethin's changed;there is no 'Gun Registration' in Maryland. Other than the FFL Form 4473 that goes thru the State Police. However... let me set you straight on certain freedoms YOU cannot enjoy. You can't strap on a loaded handgun publicly. You can't carry a loaded handgun in your vehicle. You can't carry a loaded long gun in your vehicle or on your person for self defense. You can't carry a concealed loaded handgun w/o the CCW that you WILL NOT be issued. You can't carry a decent length sheath knife openly. The only thing you're permitted to do is keep a weapon in your home or place of business.

You are prohibited from possessingcertain types of bearable weapons and limited as to their magazine capacity. (try to buy a 30 round mag.) You expect Liberals to change that? The State Police Chief (who approves CCW applications)is appointed by the Governor. So was the Baltimore City Police Chief (but that may have changed)... which is whywe had jurisdiction statewide when I was a cop. You expect uberlib Martin O'Mally and his kind to change that?

This 'Whacko' Dwyer sound's like a regular Conservative to me... Make me wonder who is the 'Whacko'?

Maryland is surrounded by States which are now generally'Free' relative to the 2A. PA, DE, VA, WVA... The only thing 'Free' in the 'Free State' is socialist welfare and the parasites have eaten the host. You're one of those who perform the same experiment over and over expecting a different result. 'Not gonna happen... "Dude!"
The brothers were not in their home so no castle doctrine protection. Their shooting was questionable and that is why it went to a jury trial where they were rightfully found innocent.
The barber incident I am not aware of, but unless the barber was trying to arrest the guy he was not allowed to pursue, and unless the guy was shooting at him or about to, he could not shoot. This is basically the law in Virginia too.
Under certain situations when someone shoots it is not even pursued in the courts. Just a few months ago a guy in the city of Baltimore confronted someone he found in his kitchen. The burglar tries to run out of the room to get out of the house and the guy living there shoots him in the back. The guy died a feet outside the house.
He was not charged and within one week the district attorney announced there would be no charges (in record time).
In MD you have more protections for using self defense in your home than most states in this country, including some right to carry states.

Now the knife length....there is NO limit on the lenght of an openly carried knife in state law and even folding knives concealed have no length limit.

The magazines, yeah we can't buy them within the state, but possession is allowed and we can buy them out of state and bring them back.
Do I expect that to change with the liberal democrats in charge? No, but there are some things we can change here in MD. We know with the leprechaun in charge almost nothing will change in our favor, but you know what? We are looking two years down the road when he will likely leave office and we think in the long run.
It is frustrating, but we are making progress and we are growing in numbers.
One thing we have done here is to fight to a stalemate. Do you know when the last stricter gun control law was passed in MD? ....it has been so long I can't even remember.
The so called "assault weapons" ban bills introduced almost every year never even got to the floor, the ammunition encoding bill was humiliatingly defeated in a committee vote (unanimous) but we had help from the NSSF, and numerous other smaller gun control bills were stuck in the chairman's drawer.....and we have been doing this without any help at all from the NRA.

Will we eventually win at changing the gun laws of this state to be pro RKBA? I have no idea, but I sure as hell not going to let them win by me quitting and being a defeatist!

Now as far as the liberals voting for pro RKBA laws.....it can happen and I know this because I am a liberal democrat and I am pro RKBA, and I know of others here in MD.
Things are changing here in MD in the gun rights cause favor, and the laws/politicians just have to catch up.
 

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MD § 4-101. Dangerous weapons.

(a) Definitions.-
(1) In this section the following words have the meanings indicated. (2) "Nunchaku" means a device constructed of two pieces of any substance, including wood, metal, or plastic, connected by any chain, rope, leather, or other flexible material not exceeding 24 inches in length.
(3) (i) "Pepper mace" means an aerosol propelled combination of highly disabling irritant pepper-based products.
(ii) "Pepper mace" is also known as oleoresin capsicum (o.c.) spray.
(4) "Star knife" means a device used as a throwing weapon, consisting of several sharp or pointed blades arrayed as radially disposed arms about a central disk.
(5) (i) "Weapon" includes a *dirk knife, bowie knife, switchblade knife, star knife, sandclub, metal knuckles, razor, and nunchaku.
(ii) "Weapon" does not include:
1. a handgun; or
2. a penknife without a switchblade.

* That would include most sheath knives. Dirks being dubble edged and Bowie's being single edged. 'Go wander around North Point mall area with a blade 'n watch what happens. 3" was the limit. My Gerber MK II (dirk) (or much of anything elseI carry sometimes... such as the Ka-Bar (Bowie),Camillus (Bowie), Buck (Bowie) or Navy MK III) (Bowie) would get me (or anyone else) arrested.See... the 2A addresses bearable'Arms'.... not only firearms.Maryland will not recognize the 2A as a protected RIGHT to the full extent and intent of the Amendmentin your lifetime (or mine).

'Last (and only) timeI went to a Rennaisance Fair in MD... there were several State Troopers at the entrance turning those away who were bearing any sort of dirk, sword or even staves 'n bows... Telling them to 'take that stuff off and put it away."So much for that.
 

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
MD § 4-101. Dangerous weapons.

(a) Definitions.-
(1) In this section the following words have the meanings indicated. (2) "Nunchaku" means a device constructed of two pieces of any substance, including wood, metal, or plastic, connected by any chain, rope, leather, or other flexible material not exceeding 24 inches in length.
(3) (i) "Pepper mace" means an aerosol propelled combination of highly disabling irritant pepper-based products.
(ii) "Pepper mace" is also known as oleoresin capsicum (o.c.) spray.
(4) "Star knife" means a device used as a throwing weapon, consisting of several sharp or pointed blades arrayed as radially disposed arms about a central disk.
(5) (i) "Weapon" includes a *dirk knife, bowie knife, switchblade knife, star knife, sandclub, metal knuckles, razor, and nunchaku.
(ii) "Weapon" does not include:
1. a handgun; or
2. a penknife without a switchblade.

* That would include most sheath knives. Dirks being dubble edged and Bowie's being single edged. 'Go wander around North Point mall area with a blade 'n watch what happens. 3" was the limit. My Gerber MK II (dirk) (or much of anything elseI carry sometimes... such as the Ka-Bar (Bowie),Camillus (Bowie), Buck (Bowie) or Navy MK III) (Bowie) would get me (or anyone else) arrested.See... the 2A addresses bearable'Arms'.... not only firearms.Maryland will not recognize the 2A as a protected RIGHT to the full extent and intent of the Amendmentin your lifetime (or mine).

'Last (and only) timeI went to a Rennaisance Fair in MD... there were several State Troopers at the entrance turning those away who were bearing any sort of dirk, sword or even staves 'n bows... Telling them to 'take that stuff off and put it away."So much for that.
Keep reading, there is more to the statute like what is prohibitted:

" (c) (1) A person may not wear or carry a dangerous weapon of any kind concealed on or about the person.
(2) A person may not wear or carry a dangerous weapon, chemical mace, pepper mace, or a tear gas device openly with the intent or purpose of injuring an individual in an unlawful manner.





There is nothing prohibitting the open carry if one does not have the intent to unlawfully injure (self defense is lawful).
If there was a prohibition on carrying dirk knives or swords openly in public, then the state police officer would have arrested them.
The Ren Fest is on private property and the state police there for security were enforcing the rules the Ren Fest was implimenting and not a state law.


Also, there is NO limit on lenght and this is high court precedent. Even folding knives carried concealed can be over three inches.


Now I know there is some confusion about this law and there has even been a police officer that got it wrong.....and he was sued because of the false arrest.....and he lost. http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/011565.U.pdf

There are a lot of myths about MD law that has led people like you to think it is even worse than it is. We are not nearly as bad for self defense as some midwest states that have shall issue even.
The unfriendly attitude or indifference towards gun rights many Marylanders have is a problem though. However, we can change some minds in the public like the VCDL did in Virginia, then things can and will change for the better.
 

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Your cite deals with non-locking folding blades. There were prob'ly more people who could have been arrested (but were turned away)at that Ren Fest than there were cops (this was in the '80's).

Of interest is the repeated reference to 3" blades (of whatever type). You can no more openly carry a large sheath knife than OC a handgun legitimately unless you're in a huntin' situation. If you carry for self defense...

"(2) A person may not wear or carry a dangerous weapon, chemical mace, pepper mace, or a tear gas device openly with the intent or purpose of injuring an individual in an unlawful manner." So... who decides or determines the lawfulintent of the bearer? So... where is the 'Shall not be infringed" part? It's all irrelevant to me now. Y'all get the gummint you vote for... andI know which way that leans.
 

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Your cite deals with non-locking folding blades. There were prob'ly more people who could have been arrested (but were turned away)at that Ren Fest than there were cops (this was in the '80's).

Of interest is the repeated reference to 3" blades (of whatever type). You can no more openly carry a large sheath knife than OC a handgun legitimately unless you're in a huntin' situation. If you carry for self defense...

"(2) A person may not wear or carry a dangerous weapon, chemical mace, pepper mace, or a tear gas device openly with the intent or purpose of injuring an individual in an unlawful manner." So... who decides or determines the lawfulintent of the bearer? So... where is the 'Shall not be infringed" part? It's all irrelevant to me now. Y'all get the gummint you vote for... andI know which way that leans.
My point with the cite was to show there is no length limit.
It was also to show people misread the statute like you are.

The intent of the bearer is known when they either threaten someone saying they are coming to cut them, or they actually use it to cut someone. It is known by actions and is one of those charges they add on after the crime. But think about the statute, if it is illegal to carry a large sheath knife because of the "intent" clause, then it would be illegal to carry pepper spray.
It is legal to carry pepper spray in MD, so therefore it is legal to openly carry a sword too as far as state law goes.
Find me one citation, statute or court case in the MD appeals courts that says your openly carried knife has to be less than three inches. You won't find any.

Now as far as the "shall not be infringed", there was a case many decades ago and MD courts said that since there was no 2A type of right in the MD bill of rights, there was not RKBA. However, now that the Heller decision has settled the individual rights issue for the 2A, then if incorporation to the states occurs, then the MD courts will no longer be able to say this.
And yes, we are working on a possible court case now too, so you write MD off but you are a premature naysayer.
 

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GCR 4-101; * technically "yes" unless it's intended as a weapon, but probably no. Again, this is a situation where intent is required by the statute, but ends up being presumed unless the defendent can prove otherwise. Anderson v State broadly discusses the statute and some D.C. caselaw on the subject.

'Daggers are a NO carry... and that would be any dubble edged fixed blade knife. Wanna test it?
 

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GCR 4-101; * technically "yes" unless it's intended as a weapon, but probably no. Again, this is a situation where intent is required by the statute, but ends up being presumed unless the defendent can prove otherwise. Anderson v State broadly discusses the statute and some D.C. caselaw on the subject.

'Daggers are a NO carry... and that would be any dubble edged fixed blade knife. Wanna test it?
Uh, no, it can be intended as a weapon for self defence if worn openly. The only prohibition is for unlawfully injure when worn openly. This is not DC, this is MD and this is MD law dealing with intent:

"Art. 27 § 12A-1(a)(1). Although the State must prove that an
individual had a specific intent to cause a serious physical
injury, see Dixon v. State, 364 Md. 209, 239 (2001), a jury may
infer the necessary intent from an individual’s conduct and the
surrounding circumstances, whether or not the victim suffers such
an injury. See Ford v. State, 330 Md. 682, 703, 705 n.9 (1993).
Also, the jury may “infer that ‘one intends the natural and
probable consequences of his act.’” Id. at 704 (citation omitted).
Here, Chilcoat grabbed a beer stein and hit Keene in the head
four or five times. The jury saw photographs of Keene’s external
injuries, the beer stein with which Chilcoat hit Keene, and Keene’s
medical records. The jury could determine whether inflicting a
serious physical injury was the natural and probable consequence of
hitting Keene with the stein."
http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache: )Y2BGcwgoZQJ:caselaw.findlaw.com/data2/marylandstatecases/cosa/2004/2032s02.pdf+maryland+intent+to+unlawfully+injury+weapon+appeals+court&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

In other words, you stab someone in a fight you started, then they know your intent was to unlawfully injure.

The link you provided was to a case about concealed carry, not open carry and there is no intent for unlawfully injure when dealing with the concealed paragraph of the statute, it is about if the item is intended to be a weapon because ANY dangerous weapon cannot be concealed. The courts ruled an extension cord in a pocket violated the dangerous weapons statute because it was concealed and intended to be used as a weapon (which was evident from his using it as a garrote). You are confusing to totally seperate items.

Daggers are allowed to be openly carried in MD and I HAVE tested it. The law is plain and simple, if it is not prohibitted it is not illegal and the open carry of a knife without intent to unlawfully injure is not prohibitted.
I will not follow a law that does not exist. Why do you?
 

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Daggers are allowed to be openly carried in MD and I HAVE tested it. The law is plain and simple, if it is not prohibitted it is not illegal and the open carry of a knife without intent to unlawfully injure is not prohibitted.
I will not follow a law that does not exist. Why do you?
Penalty flag! No cite provided.

Carrying and not being arrested and prosecuted does NOT constitute a test.

In what court/case was this tested? Further, it would have had to proceed to the appellate level to be binding on lower courts.

I might agree with you if this action were common place but it is not, and many, many have been arrested and successfully prosecuted for it.

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Novus Collectus wrote:
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Daggers are allowed to be openly carried in MD and I HAVE tested it. The law is plain and simple, if it is not prohibitted it is not illegal and the open carry of a knife without intent to unlawfully injure is not prohibitted.
I will not follow a law that does not exist. Why do you?
Penalty flag! No cite provided.

Carrying and not being arrested and prosecuted does NOT constitute a test.

In what court/case was this tested? Further, it would have had to proceed to the appellate level to be binding on lower courts.

I might agree with you if this action were common place but it is not, and many, many have been arrested and successfully prosecuted for it.

Yata hey
I should have been more clear. I did not test it that far, I meant I have openly worn knives in public before. I was not arrested or confronted. He challenged me to test it which I took to mean to try and wear one to see what happens.
I did have an encounter with a police officer when I had a four inch or so blade butterfly knife in the center console once though. I did not get charged for it.

Now it is my turn to ask you. Do you have a link or cite to the cases of people prosecuted for the open carry of a knife they did not use to unlawfully injure?

By the way, it is to uncommon to see the carry a fixed blade knife in MD over three inches. People to it on the way to hunting all the time and so do landscapers and construction workers. I used to ride the bus with one on my tool belt I was carrying or on my belt.
 

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I should have been more clear. I did not test it that far, I meant I have openly worn knives in public before. I was not arrested or confronted. He challenged me to test it which I took to mean to try and wear one to see what happens.
I did have an encounter with a police officer when I had a four inch or so blade butterfly knife in the center console once though. I did not get charged for it.

Now it is my turn to ask you. Do you have a link or cite to the cases of people prosecuted for the open carry of a knife they did not use to unlawfully injure?

By the way, it is to uncommon to see the carry a fixed blade knife in MD over three inches. People to it on the way to hunting all the time and so do landscapers and construction workers. I used to ride the bus with one on my tool belt I was carrying or on my belt.
You keep changing the rules.

The question from Sonora Rebel was regarding dirks - double edged blades.
You said "I HAVE tested it." Now - only that you have open carried knives and not been tested.

Hunting knives and work knives are generally legal and easily researched but you know that. Having a conversation with smoke is just not worth it.

Sorry that you don't buy that Maryland has prosecuted people for illegal knives. I'm really not of a mind to humor you.

Maybe you have a link where carrying a dirk was shown to be legal.

Hope you do get your OC and CC laws improved - radically. Good luck.

Yata hey
 
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