Citizens' Arrest

[amlevin]

The American Disabilities Act is a joke.

It is nothing but a tool for sue happy people to file lawsuits and have actually lowered the amount of disabled folks that that are hired, why? Oh because employers are afraid of being sued.

Having been an "Employer" I can say this is false. ADA was not totally for enhanced employment but also access.

Access to things that the rest of us take for granted. A restroom that can accommodate a wheel chair, access to the second or more floors of a public building (how would you like to not be able to get to a courtroom on the second floor because your confined to a wheelchair), and doors that open with low enough effort that they actually can be opened by someone in a wheelchair or on crutches.

As for Employers, there are even some benefits available to them for hiring the handicapped. Some benefits to the employer can be in the thousands of dollars.

I might not be interested in hiring someone in a wheelchair to do roofing work but I wouldn't hesitate to hire a qualified person with such a handicap to do accounting work.

ADA has allowed many people to go to work by just eliminating the physical obstacles.

amzbrady-

Your wal-mart obesity remark was so "right on". Not only do they get those front row parking spots, they also get a mini-golf cart to haul their oversized butts around the store. It's a good thing those carts can't talk or belong to a union.

 

[jt59]

Welcome to America

amzbrady;.......I bet they still laugh over that joke. You dont see any welcome wagons like that on other shores.


Seems like the Rio Grande has two shores

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[1911er]

Oh, and don't forget the most common one at Wal-Mart. Obesity.

I too shop at walmart, and I too am overweight, and I am also handicap. But that's because I was serving overseas when I got shot putting my life on the line fighting for our country. So if you feel the need to to put all people in A group because of their weight your pretty shallow. But Just so you know I would go through all the pain and rehab and the last almost 20 years of being called cripple. and limping around on a walking stick all over again if I thought it would save just one more Americans life.

 

[amlevin]

I too shop at walmart, and I too am overweight, and I am also handicap. But that's because I was serving overseas when I got shot putting my life on the line fighting for our country. So if you feel the need to to put all people in A group because of their weight your pretty shallow. But Just so you know I would go through all the pain and rehab and the last almost 20 years of being called cripple. and limping around on a walking stick all over again if I thought it would save just one more Americans life.

I believe there is a difference between being "overweight" and being "obese".

Those that are handicapped, and unable to get the necessary exercise are often overweight. There are also those who have no sense of "enough" and are not just overweight, but hundreds of pounds overweight. So much so that they can't even walk more than a few feet at a time.

I too hobbled around on a "walking stick" back in the years 1969 to 1972 while recovering from a nearly amputated leg. I have an appreciation for being unable to walk with ease. The difference is that there are some that find/found themselves in that condition through no fault of their own, and there are those for whom it is a "self inflicted wound".

As always, all opinions are personal and not always shared by others.

 

[jt59]

I believe there is a difference between being "overweight" and being "obese".

Those that are handicapped, and unable to get the necessary exercise are often overweight. There are also those who have no sense of "enough" and are not just overweight, but hundreds of pounds overweight. So much so that they can't even walk more than a few feet at a time.

I too hobbled around on a "walking stick" back in the years 1969 to 1972 while recovering from a nearly amputated leg. I have an appreciation for being unable to walk with ease. The difference is that there are some that find/found themselves in that condition through no fault of their own, and there are those for whom it is a "self inflicted wound".

As always, all opinions are personal and not always shared by others.

Would "supersize me" fall into the category of self-inflicted?

 

[Jeff Hayes]

would "supersize me" fall into the category of self-inflicted?

yes

 

[jt59]

Paris, Texas




note: this may redefine "open carry"

 

[jt59]

Paris, France

butt, maybe not...

 

[amlevin]

Would "supersize me" fall into the category of self-inflicted?

Probably not if you just do it once per day.

I used have someone in my office that would "waddle" out to lunch about 11:30 every day. Came back about 30 minutes later, dropped the "remains" of two Burger King Whoppers in the waste basket just inside the door, and proceeded to his desk to finish off the third whopper that he considered his lunch.

He was a customer service phone rep and his boss had to buy him a new chair every 60 days or so. He's blow out the seals in the air/hydraulic cylinder that was the support/adjusting mechanism for the chair.

We all had a pool going just before I retired on what his actual weight was. I was guessing 520. Never found out because he had to go to the nearest feed store, 25 miles away, for the "weigh in".

No injuries, no "disease", just plain old gluttony.

Something tells me that it would take a whole ton of "supersize me's" for you to get anywhere close to his guy's weight.

BTW, I left out of his "lunch" the large fries and huge milkshake.

 

[amlevin]

butt, maybe not...

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Wonder what the attraction is, walking around with a permanent "wedgie"?

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Having been an "Employer" I can say this is false. ADA was not totally for enhanced employment but also access.

Access to things that the rest of us take for granted. A restroom that can accommodate a wheel chair, access to the second or more floors of a public building (how would you like to not be able to get to a courtroom on the second floor because your confined to a wheelchair), and doors that open with low enough effort that they actually can be opened by someone in a wheelchair or on crutches.

As for Employers, there are even some benefits available to them for hiring the handicapped. Some benefits to the employer can be in the thousands of dollars.

I might not be interested in hiring someone in a wheelchair to do roofing work but I wouldn't hesitate to hire a qualified person with such a handicap to do accounting work.

ADA has allowed many people to go to work by just eliminating the physical obstacles.

Well I wasn't talking about public buildings and I have read evidence contrary to what you are saying. Many employers are reluctant to hire because they fear lawsuits, now they can't out right say that but when you look at statistics it proves it.

Although I may in the future choose to make life easier for handicapped, (I do go out of my way at times to open doors for, push a wheel chair and help those in need) Also life is unfair why should the government mandate compassion?and cause people to spend extra money, and facilities in private businesses, to hire people. They didn't cause the disability.(sarcasm coming) We should chop down basketball players because it just isn't fair that short people can't compete in their market.

So although your experience as an employer (did you own your own business) may not have reflected this and have proved false for you, I would say it also reflects well on you as a person. The reality is that subtly it has harmed, and is another example of "socialism" we need to stop.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv23n1/deleire.pdf

P.S. I have been disabled, broken legs, nearly chopped my foot off at one time, I didn't expect anything extra, I just dealt with what life threw at me.

 

[JoeSparky]

Oh, and dont forget the most common one at Wal-Mart. Obesity.

There are MORE causes of obesity than over-eating and under-exercising. Might I suggest "a mile in their shoes" and "assume a positive" intent, my friend!

 

[amzbrady]

Oh, and dont forget the most common one at Wal-Mart. Obesity.

Just to clarify, I am not speaking of people who gain wieght to not being able to excorsize due to a disability. I am speaking of the ones who claim disability because they are too fat to work, then they take their disability check to wal-mart and ride their little cart to the ice-cream isle.

 

[amlevin]

Also life is unfair why should the government mandate compassion?and cause people to spend extra money, and facilities in private businesses, to hire people. They didn't cause the disability.

You may wish to rethink this statement. How many of those disabled are Veterans? Individuals that were sent into harms way by their government and were maimed or injured in the process of doing what the Government asked of them?

As for the rest of the provisions of ADA, all it says essentially, is if you are going to offer employment, accommodation, or services to the public, you can't place physical obstacles in the way of those who are handicapped.

As for my being an Employer, I did own my own business. I also worked for a major Corporation, and am currently involved in a private business even though I am retired. My experience is that handicapped workers are often far more loyal, enthusiastic, and detail oriented than those who have no impairment.

I had an Administrative Assistant that was disabled by a car accident in her teens. She walked with crutches, couldn't stand up straight, and took a little longer to get from point A to point B. I actually had to insist that she park in the handicap parking stall right outside the door to our office area. She argued that she "didn't need to, the walk did her good".

She was on time every day, spent more time at her desk doing her job than in the "Break Room" socializing, was admired and respected by all my clients, and had a knack for anticipating what was needed and had it ready often before I asked.

If she was handicapped, she certainly didn't let it get in her way. Somehow I don't think all those "statistics" include people like her.

 

[amlevin]

Just to clarify, I am not speaking of people who gain wieght to not being able to excorsize due to a disability. I am speaking of the ones who claim disability because they are too fat to work, then they take their disability check to wal-mart and ride their little cart to the ice-cream isle.

Your Wal-Mart has them too?


Anyone remember Mitchell Rupe? He was the one that robbed a bank in the Olympia area and shot one of the tellers in the face, killing her. He was sentenced to death. While waiting for execution he started eating. He ate until he weighed in the neighborhood of 1/4 Ton. Then claimed that the State shouldn't hang him because of his weight.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

You may wish to rethink this statement. How many of those disabled are Veterans? Individuals that were sent into harms way by their government and were maimed or injured in the process of doing what the Government asked of them?

As for the rest of the provisions of ADA, all it says essentially, is if you are going to offer employment, accommodation, or services to the public, you can't place physical obstacles in the way of those who are handicapped.

As for my being an Employer, I did own my own business. I also worked for a major Corporation, and am currently involved in a private business even though I am retired. My experience is that handicapped workers are often far more loyal, enthusiastic, and detail oriented than those who have no impairment.

I had an Administrative Assistant that was disabled by a car accident in her teens. She walked with crutches, couldn't stand up straight, and took a little longer to get from point A to point B. I actually had to insist that she park in the handicap parking stall right outside the door to our office area. She argued that she "didn't need to, the walk did her good".

She was on time every day, spent more time at her desk doing her job than in the "Break Room" socializing, was admired and respected by all my clients, and had a knack for anticipating what was needed and had it ready often before I asked.

If she was handicapped, she certainly didn't let it get in her way. Somehow I don't think all those "statistics" include people like her.

Rethought it and stand by, my points, I cited sources and backed up my reasoning. I appreciate armed servicemen/women but don't feel we need to change and make laws legislating compassion.

Did you know the ADA site claims almost 50,000,000 disabled? Give me a break. 1 out of 6?
http://www.infouse.com/disabilitydata/disability/1_1.php

The Act is ridiculous and has done very little to "help".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT2YET6sg5I

 

[Metalhead47]

I'm with svg on this one.

My experience with. The AdA making things "fair:" if I have a bus that's packed full with people, to the point that I'm passing others up, and a person in a wheelchair wants on, I have to throw people off the bus to accommodate the wheelchair, and if it's one of those damn scooters that could be half a dozen people. If a "normal" person complains about missed stop fallout, the driver gets dresses down. If an Ada person makes one of their "special" complaints, the company gets a $10,000 fine and the driver potentially looses his job. Oh and if an Ada person wants their mobility device secured in a blatantly unsafe manner, the driver must abide and they cannot be refused service. Sound "fair?"

Like svg said, you cannot legislate compassion. This is the core failure of modern liberalism. They take virtues like charity, peace, and compassion, and pervert them through govt mandates and intervention.


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[amzbrady]

Just like seeing people on disability for a gambling problem. For real thats a disease?

 

[amzbrady]

amzbrady;.......I bet they still laugh over that joke. You dont see any welcome wagons like that on other shores.


Seems like the Rio Grande has two shores

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The rio actually would have been a good place for the panama canal. It would have made the ideal waterway. A cruise straight from California to Florida would have been awesome.

 

[Metalhead47]

The rio actually would have been a good place for the panama canal. It would have made the ideal waterway. A cruise straight from California to Florida would have been awesome.

Was there actually a plan to do so? Woulda need a LOT of locks!