Gold carry state my ...you know what.
No restaurant carry, a "permit to purchase" requirement, and OC is not entirely prempted. What a joke.
We gotta get this stuff fixed. Just sayin.
It boils down to a few things. We have multiple, long standing case law that rules that OC is the Constitutional right of the people. And OC is therefore not addressed by legislation but case law and there are no permit requirements to carry.
And yes, there are things I would like to see fixed as well. Better than some, worse than others.
OC is addressed in a few restrictions, such as business that sells and serves alcohol, or assemblies that charge admission. Most everyplace else is open to open carry. But I think(not sure) were put in place when the privilege laws were enacted. As long as I can OC I could care less about CC. I was darn ticked off when GRNC tried to tie restaurant carry to a privilege card, not just PO'd but outright insulted. Take one step towards tying carry to privilege cards and we will all be forced to get them to OC, like other states.
For me it is Constitutional Carry or keep what we got now.
Gold carry state my ...you know what.
No restaurant carry, a "permit to purchase" requirement, and OC is not entirely prempted. What a joke.
We gotta get this stuff fixed. Just sayin.
There is a way to change to Constitutional Carry.
1. Find a member of the GA to introduce it.
2. Convince a majority of the members of the GA to vote for it.
3. Convince the Governor not to veto it.
That shouldn't be too hard to do.
Sounds like a plan! lol Unfortunately we are loosing one of the guys that might have introduced it from Catawba county.
WW, restrictions are addressed but the legality of OC is not addressed in the statutes. That was more of what I was trying to get at.
I think we are chasing each other in circles saying the same thing differently.
Question though. Is there anyone in the legislature that seems to be willing to address Constitutional Carry? Or any of the other issues like Restaurants that serve or school property issues? The main reason my wife does not carry right know is the school issue. It's maddening to deal with some of these things.
Did you get any response from them?GRNC addressed and pushed for a bill that would have allowed resturant carry with a privilege card. Initial I had contacted my reps backing it out of respect for CCers. But since CCers and some who are members of GRNC showed so much disrespect towards OCers I have changed my position. I have on my own mailed reps to ask for constitutional carry, but I am but one person. IMO GRNC is only a tad better than NRA, which have become completely political and more worried about their own hides and interests instead of RKBA.
Did you get any response from them?
oh goodie another GRNC supporter :banana:
nice to meet ya walking wolf and your stellar perspective of GRNC!!
wabbit
ps: care to meet for coffee/chai?
pps: interesting to note the OP posted but once on this thread
I'll have to check with the boss when, are you close to Sanford? or Spring Lake?
I am surprised at GRNC disdain for open carry considering all the support they have gotten from the OC community. It is really becoming clear that they could care less about the rest of gun owners or even the 2A. If there is not a open carry organization in NC there should be, OCers are wasting their time supporting GRNC. Paul Valone has made it clear he wants nothing to do with us, unless it helps him.
Your first letter that you posted by proxy was an insult to motorcycle riders, open carriers, as well family. It was stereotyping of individuals and made it very clear that open carry was not only not your cup of tea, but offensive. You can play and claim tactics, but it is clear from that posting that you were involved with saddling us with these restrictions in the first place. I was perfectly happy with open carry as it was before YOU stuck you nose in it.Apparently, I need to weigh in on this. First, GRNC does not express "disdain" for any part of the gun rights community. You probably don't know this, but you are talking to the guy who wrote the first and only "constitutional carry" (then called "Vermont carry") bill ever introduced in North Carolina. When Senate President Pro Tem Marc Basnight refused to give it a hearing, we had Sen. Hugh Webster file a discharge petition, which garnered the signatures of a number of Republicans. When Basnight wrongly ruled the petition not germaine to the debate, Hugh became the first Senator in over 100 years to challenge the ruling of the chair -- an extraordinarily ballsy maneuver which ultimately caused the Democratic Senate Committee, in the next election, to systematically target petition signatories with mailings featuring a child's book bag, an apple for the teacher, and a gun. They took out the most pro-gun senators in the chamber, including RL Clark, Jesse Ledbetter, John Blust and (ultimately) Hugh Webster himself.
What I learned was to not risk pro-gun legislators on quixotic, unwinnable battles, but instead to gain ground one foot at a time. When I say I can sell the state on concealed handgun permit-holders who are certified as sane, sober and law-abiding, that does not mean I am done there, nor does it mean I value OC supporters an less than CHP-holders. What it means is that I have a better chance of selling that to the public, which will then discover that, low and behold, no disasters come of restaurant carry. Then and only then do we revisit the issue, quietly working to remove the restrictions of G.S. 14-263 altogether.
Let me give you a recent example. Did you know GRNC just made machine guns unequivocally legal in North Carolina? Previously, two conflicting statutes caused the Attorney General to advise against signing Form 4s and could have subjected thousands of Title II collectors to felony prosecution. Did we do it overnight? Nope. Took 8 years. Did we do it by introducing a bill entitled: "Machine Guns Legal in North Carolina"? Hell, no. Politicians would have run screaming for the exits.
What we did was to quietly slip it into an omnibus bill, as a committee substitute, which contained plenty of other contentious issues.We didn't use the word "machine gun" or "weapon of mass destruction" once. As a result, the measure received ZERO debate and was signed into law last year.
What I sell the public on, and what I am actually after, are two very different things. Tacitcs, folks. Tactics. I've been at this for 18 years, and I know a little about how to get a bill passed instead of running nose first into a brick wall.
Paul Valone
President, Grass Roots North Carolina