Head count for Dennys Meet. 5-22-10

[69Charger]

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Yes. Good points. It will be handled in a way that is legal, moral and with respect for all.
At first it only brought out anger from me.
Now I will be polite, cool headed and approach this differently. (although I would still like to throw this guy out on his ear)
There will be no tarnishing of this meet from me.
Help me think this one out and we will all win in the end.
See you there my friends.
Dave

 

[sirpuma]

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I agree that the OC meetings need to be kept to friendly topics and specifically OC or Firearm related. I wouldn't personally throw the guy out unless he started crap talk, and then I would only tell him to leave the group.

The moment someone tries to remove someone from an establishment that is open to the public (thus making it a public place) they are then trying to be a representative of that establishment. Only the staff and management have the right to tell someone to leave. If someone, openly carrying a firearm, tries to use force to make someone else leave a place that is open to the public, that could be construed as an intent to intimidate and would put that person at risk of violating the law.

I personally subscribe to the theory of "to each their own". There's a great deal out there that people do that turns my stomach and I would prefer they didn't live in my area, but until they all up an move away I'll just mind my own business. I do my best to understand where someone is coming from, but it's not my place to try and "re-educate" them. I find that there are a great many people who think it's perfectly fine to interfere with other peoples lives in an effort to make them change into something else. It doesn't matter if it's religion, race, sexuality, firearms or diet. Too many people want to get into too many other peoples faces and force them to either step in line with their belief system or have their rights taken away.

I like the saying "I don't have to agree with what you have to say, but I'll die to defend your right to say it."

I also say everyone should take pride in who they are, where they come from and their heritage. Strive to be the best you can be to overcome the worst others have been.

 

[Wheelgunner]

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I'm in.

 

[John Pierce]

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Banned. Those who espouse hatred and intolerance have no place at OCDO!!!!



irishpunk wrote:

Armed and ready !!! 14/88

 

[John Pierce]

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Bob,

Irishpunk has been banned from the forum.


John

Bob Warden wrote:

irishpunk wrote:

Armed and ready !!! 14/88

Count me OUT. Here's why:

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The Fourteen Words is a phrase used predominantly by white nationalists. It most commonly refers to the 14-word slogan: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children",[1] and it can also refer to another 14-word slogan: "Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth."[2] Both slogans were coined by David Lane, a member of the white separatist organization The Order. The first slogan was inspired by a statement, 88 words in length, from Volume 1, Chapter 8 of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf:

What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. Every thought and every idea, every doctrine and all knowledge, must serve this purpose. And everything must be examined from this point of view and used or rejected according to its utility.
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White nationalists sometimes combine the number 14 with 88, as in "14/88" or "1488". The 8s stand for the eighth letter of the alphabet (H), with 'HH' standing for "Heil Hitler".[3] '88' can also refer to the book 88 Precepts by David Lane.[4] The 88 can also stand for the 88-word statement in Mein Kampf mentioned above.

 

[69Charger]

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THANK YOU.
Dave
Semper Fi

 

[Gray Peterson]

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People,

Let's talk about "moral equivalency" here. The philosophy that irishpunk apparently is connected to is a philosophy that led to the rounding up and executions of 6 million jews, and 6 million "others" who were deemed unworthy to live. We had millions of our soldiers fighting in our army against Hitler's regime. Ask any ofyour family members who helped liberate any of the death camps what they think of a follower of "14/88".....

Also, the Gun Control Act of 1968 is sourced in the German Weapons Law of 1938.

White supremecy is incompatible with freedom and liberty. They are NOT equivalent, and I don't appreciate the comparison to non-standard religions or sexual orientations.

 

[Bob Warden]

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Gray Peterson wrote:

People,

Let's talk about "moral equivalency" here. The philosophy that irishpunk apparently is connected to is a philosophy that led to the rounding up and executions of 6 million jews, and 6 million "others" who were deemed unworthy to live. We had millions of our soldiers fighting in our army against Hitler's regime. Ask any ofyour family members who helped liberate any of the death camps what they think of a follower of "14/88".....

Also, the Gun Control Act of 1968 is sourced in the German Weapons Law of 1938.

White supremecy is incompatible with freedom and liberty. They are NOT equivalent, and I don't appreciate the comparison to non-standard religions or sexual orientations.

Gray - On this you and I are in 100% agreement! :lol:

 

[Gray Peterson]

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Bob Warden wrote:

Gray - On this you and I are in 100% agreement! :lol:

STOP THE PRESSES!!! :what:
:celebrate

 

[Gray Peterson]

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69Charger wrote:

5-22-10 10:00am. NEXT SATURDAY.
How many are going to make it to Dennys on 108th and Pacific Ave in Tacoma for a meet and Greet?
I would like to give them a heads up. They are going to give us a corner and I would like to know how big this corner needs to be.
Really hope to get to meet some of you local guys and gals.
Let me know by Wednesday please. :?
Thanks.

Dave

I'm in, btw.

 

[Wheelgunner]

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Gray Peterson wrote:

 

[69Charger]

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There is your 1st amendment right at work right there. But.
Dave

 

[Bob Warden]

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People who post alleged facts based on alleged statistical evidence should cite their sources. Anyone can say anything; but saying it doesn't make it true. Thank you BrenTen for deleting your entirefactless post.

 

[amzbrady]

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gogodawgs wrote:

sirpuma wrote:

amzbrady wrote:

69Charger wrote:

Please come Bob. This subject will not be tolerated at this meet. I will personalty escort any person that raised (in support of) this subject, up there. I will not stand for it nor will any other of my fellow members.
This is for us good 2nd amendment supporting people and not in any way will it be thrown into the crapper by 1 person.
You have my word on it.
Dave:X

Again I do not agree with anything to do with predjudism, but I see a couple problems here. If someone doesnt like your gun, should they be allowed to personnally escort you out of a public place. Would they have the right? What I see is you will deny someones 1st amendment while you are support your 2nd amendment. If someone doesnt like your gun, would you not educate them on why it is good to carry? Why not do the same and educate someone on why racism is bad.

Just saying.

I have always wondered something. When a black person stands and says "Black Pride" everyone cheers, pats him on the back and says "be proud of who you are". When a hispanic stands and says "Latino Pride" everyone smiles and says "yes, take pride in where you come from". When a Jew says "Jewish Pride" everyone shouts "long live Israel". Same thing with Asians, Middle Easterners and more. BUT when a white person stands and says "White Pride" he is shouted down, called racist and evil and beaten. His rights are suddenly not worth protecting. Why is that?

He signed with a 14/88. So what. If I signed off with Blessed Be, how much would you hate me. I'm Pagan. Most if not all of you are Christian. For the past 100 generations Christians have made it their goal to kill my people and destroy my culture. It is the Christian goal to wipe out every other religion out there, same goal as Islam. Islam does it through conquest, Christianity does it through "conversion" then conquest.

Our 1st Amendment applies to EVERY CITIZEN, not just a select few. Our right to be in a public place it available to all, not just those who fit in with one persons conception of the ideal person. Our 2nd Amendment right applies to EVERY CITIZEN (with the typical caveats) not to just those you think fit your mold.

I find it interesting the amount of HATE coming from various members here based on his 14/88. You can simply say that that topic will not be welcome. But to tell him you will escort him out if he shows up is ILLEGAL. You have no authority to escort anyone out of a public place for ANY reason. You want to rail against him for "hate" yet you do it with much hate yourself.

Nuff Said. Blessed Be.

When any 'pride' based on race is yelled I condemn it. However, he can do it, it does not mean that he can do it where ever he so chooses. The 1A does not guarantee his right to do so on Denny's property. Nor does it preclude OCDO's right to free association. "Irish Punk" is an agent provocateur and this is intentional.

I am not "Christian", I am a Deist. I condemn any hatred based on religious persecution as did our founders.

OCDO has a right to free association. Denny's is not a 'public place', it is private property that is open for public accommodation.

Where is the 'hate' you claim? It is not from me, one thing that I will always say is that individual liberty is the cornerstone of mankind.

When pride based on race is yelled I do not condemn it, just like nationality, just like religeon, it is when supremecy based on race is yelled that I condemn it. We of any color here in our great nation are not supreme to others in othercountries, although our nation is supreme, I take pride in being 1/2 irish, 1/4 jewish, and a 1/4 german, and I am proud to be an American. I believe there is the same possibility that there is a god, as there is not. I often wonder how it could be possible that God may have created everything and let it evolve. Least thats what I think. I think the best thing about us, is that we have the freedom to think however we want and to Openly Carry a handgun and let others think what they want about it.

 

[gogodawgs]

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Sorry, I implied 'race based supremecy' but did not state it as such. Amzbrady, you are correct, I did not imply that one should not be proud of their heritage.

However the 'white pride' crowd is overtly pushing an agenda of hate and supremecy.

 

[Batousaii]

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amzbrady wrote:

When pride based on race is yelled I do not condemn it, just like nationality, just like religeon, it is when supremecy based on race is yelled that I condemn it.

+1

I completely agree - and that's a great way to sum that up.

 

[Bill Starks]

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I hate everyone... equally

 

[amzbrady]

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M1Gunr wrote:

I hate everyone... equally

LOL

 

[DEROS72]

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iI am not at all ashamed of being a white male in this country.One that did work all his life served the country and so on.I'm getting sick of of folks trying to push that white people did something wrong and we should all apologize.I have nothing to apologize for...

 

[Batousaii]

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I'm thinking a food fight at Denny's would sort this all out in a jiffy. I hear they keep a good supply of various and sundry pies and cakes on hand too - muahaha <evil laugh>