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trl wrote:
Hey everyone, I'm one of those LEO's and I'm in California just some food for thought. I'm not really understanding this hole OCing i get what it means but why do it? I hear the argument it can be a deterrent and in some rare cases it may be. Remember how criminals think NOT like you or us the law abiding people. If someone goes into a store to commit a 211 (robbery) or a 245 (assault with a deadly weapon) that gun on your hip just brings the unwanted attention you are not prepared for or trained for and could get you killed. Remember you have no 960 (back-up)That is the reason LEO. come out successfully in these situations. WE always say be a better witness.I always sit and think of these situations and work them out in my head with what training I've had and hope luck is on my side that day. Now don't get me wrong I'm all for the 2nd amendment, why not focus on C.C.W. There is nothing like the element of surprise, trust me!The victim or the victims family members are going to be all over you even if they where a scum bags remember in their eyes "My baby was a good boy" yea right! What about the bullet that goes off and kills the innocent civilian? Good luck on keeping anything you own.. and remember where the law abiding one we have stuff to lose.. I just think C.C.W's is better focused energy. In the Academy we see all the Video's you guy don't. Some thugs walk into the Liquor store and the guy over the counter takes a 40cal. right in the face. Now what makes you think you wouldn't have been his first round if he sees you asa potential threat. think about it concealed would have been a better choice. I know these are crazy situations but that why you want to have a gun in the first place? Food for thought.
respectfully..
L.E.O on your side..
Welcome
trl - LEO on my side - your arguments are the exact same as the anti's and that is a shame because you should have better information available to you than imagined things that might be, may be or could happen. Facts are what we prefer to deal with here.
There are many LEOs, and instructors here amongst the citizens who are exercising there God given right to self-defense and no where does the 2nd Amendment say that we can only do that
if we carry concealed.
Bad Guys (BG) almost always carry concealed. They have a reason to hide their gun - I do not. Shouldn't people fear what they cannot see more than what they can see and is demonstratably not a threat? Are we less worthy than sworn officers?
To answer the few canned objections that you posed:
1) "
deterrent and in some rare cases" - while we cannot say how many crimes were prevented by the sight of a defensive weapon, as a crime
not committed leaves nothing to report. What we do know is that there are many anecdotal stories to that effect on this forum from very responsible people. I mean if it only saves one child!
2) "
why not focus on C.C.W." Aaa, maybe because this is a forum dedicated to OC!
And we collectively are not new, inexperienced, untrained, irresponsible nor lacking in the ability to separate the chaff from the wheat - separate fact from fiction.
3) "
could get you killed" A possibility crossing the street but let's relate to the supposed preemptive strike. A very old challenge of mine is a request for a specific cite where any OCing citizen (not LEO or security) was taken out by a bad guy in a preemptive action before the SHTF in any of the 50 states or D.C. BTW - were you to find one instance, you do understand that you will only make my case don't you? The resultant percentage of such would look a little like this - .0001% This type of thinking belongs in the annals of Urban Legends.
4) "
What about the bullet that goes off and kills the innocent civilian?" Gee really good question. Only problem is that LEO shooters are much more likely to hit an innocent than are civilian defensive shootings - 8% versus 2%. Your homework is to research this and confirm or deny the findings.
5) "
Good luck on keeping anything you own." Everything I own is not worth nearly as much as my life or the life of a loved one. I do agree however that Castle Doctrine laws and Stand Your Ground laws with civil suit protection are in order. Thank you for suggesting this.
6) "
I'm all for the 2nd amendment" Then you cannot be selective or are you just all for some of it, part of the time? Take your time - it's a tough question and you will be tested.
If you truly do not have any troll blood flowing through your veins, stay here and read a lot more, contribute in a positive manner. Research your data and do not give us just your feelings nor repeat unsubstantiated allegations. Shoot straight - I do.
Yata hey
