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i open carry!..........because im crazy???

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jay75009 wrote:
i am sorry to anyone who has been offended by any of my harsh remarks on this thread, i lost my father at the age of 7 because some rich yuppy with a gun didnt care enough to even say a word when a thug in boston robbed and shot my father, when the police questioned him as a witness they found his pistol and asked him why he dindt try to help he simply replied "its not my job"................so im kind of sensitive on the subject................and again i appologise to anyone i may have offended
Personally, I am terribly sorry for your loss.. especially how it happened. May I ask, was the perp caught and if so, how did it come out?
 

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MikeV wrote:
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Perhaps it may just be better if we let them suffer the consequences of their ignorance and succumb to the will and evil of those who would prey upon them. Why put our own selves in mortal danger to defend those who would rather we not have those very means with which to present a defense?

Just a thought, not a sermon.


How does the quote go?

"All it takes for evil to be victorious is for a good man to do nothing."?




I understand what your saying but, as much as I like the "lay in the bed you made" analogy. I don't know if I could take the looks and the questions from My wife and children when they ask me why i just walked on by when that man was being beaten/killed/robbed. What answer can I give that would stop them from suspecting that I am nothin more than a coward?
My post was offered as a thought.. not what I necessarily thought. Please see my subsequent posts on this.


BTW, lotta love floating around on this thread.

I hear you, In all honesty I wasn't so much pointing fingers as I was just, how can I put it, offering a "Counter-thought" and putting my own perspective on the "he who won't help himself" argument.
Naw, you're fine. I hope my take is clear. The thing about a forum of ideas is.... well, a forum of ideas. My biggest problem with them is the shrinking civility that seems to inevitably result when differing and strong held opinions clash.
 

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no, they never found him, mr rich yuppy stood there and drank his coffee as he ran off, and somehow forgot his discription other than latino and a yellow bandana on his head *go figure right*
 

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jay75009 wrote:
no, they never found him, mr rich yuppy stood there and drank his coffee as he ran off, and somehow forgot his discription other than latino and a yellow bandana on his head *go figure right*
That's terrible; I'm sorry the maggot was never caught and made to suffer the proper penalty. And just so you'll know where I stand on this issue.

If I were to come upon a situation where it was clear to me what was going down and who the BG(s) were, I would try to do my best to render whatever help I could to help the victim(s). I would have a very hard time living with myself if I acted in a different fashion. And yes, I have stopped and given aid to accident victims before professional help arrived.

I just would not want some government mandating private citizens to do this. We have enough artificial laws already on the books - we don't need any more.
 

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oh i totaly agree, ppl get hurt here all the time because of the law and because people are affraid of the law, but thankfuly, there are armed citizens in this state who refuse to put up with crime and terror and usualy lend a hand so those who would have to do so un-armed dont have to
 

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jay75009 wrote:
lol as i was walking away she yelled "arnt you going to DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!?"

I LOVE it when people have the nerve to insult the heck out of you, act all holy and higher than thou, then beg for your help when its needed, i told her to call the police......maybe they would help lol
"You said I was crazy. Do you really want me to use deadly force against that guy? If so, I'll be sure to let the police know who the real psycho is, here."

then immediately turn to the BG and shout to him: "Hey, you're breaking into this lady's car and she wants me to use this (point to gun)... do you think that's a sane choice?"
 

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jay75009 wrote:
JBURGII wrote:
Did I not read somewhere that Wal-Mart has one of the highest crime rates for parking lots in the nation.. ? To include car-jackings and breakins..?? I don't have the stats in front of me but we should all be careful during the holiday season coming up.

I had someone a while back who showed disdain for my carry habits then chew me out for not jumping into a brawl in front of the complex.. hipocrits..

Rev. Jim
exactly! morons lolgotta love em lol dime a dozen, most ppl get angry cause we carry a weapon, then get angry when we refuse to use it towards a situation that doesnt warrant a weapons use A.E. someone breaking into someone ELSES car.........or a fist fight..........most laws say firearms are used in defense of ones personal self when infact EQUAL or GREATER force is being used against them....................but all the hipocrits seem to belive we are bad men who carry guns, but then when someone takes a swing at someone else they want us to draw our weapons and get a brandishing charge!



:banghead: morons lol

+1

Fear is built from ignorance.
 

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met a non ignorant woman today! she walked up to me in shaws and thanked me for OCing, apperently her abusive ex had followed her into the store, and when she went down my isle, he noticed my weapon and turned around and left .

its always nice to feel apreciated by strangers haha
 

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jay75009 wrote:
met a non ignorant woman today! she walked up to me in shaws and thanked me for OCing, apperently her abusive ex had followed her into the store, and when she went down my isle, he noticed my weapon and turned around and left .

its always nice to feel apreciated by strangers haha
wow! great deterrent story!
 

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jay75009 wrote:
met a non ignorant woman today! she walked up to me in shaws and thanked me for OCing, apperently her abusive ex had followed her into the store, and when she went down my isle, he noticed my weapon and turned around and left .

its always nice to feel apreciated by strangers haha
Offer to help her learn how to shoot and to choose a gun for herself?
 

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jay75009 - semper fi - thought you were clear and courteous in pointing out lack of morals. "There ain't no atheists in a foxhole."

Wish we could OC here in my home state. We're working on it.

I was at the gas pump on a windy day (45mph+) and as I exited the vehicle, the door caused a swirl of wind to lift my jacket and expose my concealed carry piece that I carry in the 4:30 position in an OWB holster. The man pumping gas next to me got a look at my weapon and laughed and said, "Ain't nothing sexier than a woman packing heat." I am careful about printing and try to prevent accidental exposures, but when the wind blows out here, it blows. You folks in texas and kansas know what I'm talking about :lol:

That said, I also agree that OC would prevent more assaults than not. I have also had a couple of occassions in which I chose to expose my weapon that turned the aggressor. According to state statutes, I was not supposed to do what I did, but "in the process of drawing my weapon" the BG decided to go elsewhere.

One idjit was a neighbor to my business office and was actually trying to physically intimidate me at 10:30 p.m. for retrieving my clearly marked trashcan earlier in the afternoonfrom where he had it hidden on his property. As my profession at the time required me to be in contact with convicted felons and drug addicts on a regular basis, I carried openly inside my office, so it was somewhat common knowledge that I was probably carrying at any particular time. I had also just returned from training in Use of Force - the Force Continuum and my reaction was "programmed" with my strong hand going to the butt of my gun, but not drawing. Idjit then went to the police department and "filed a report to be put in her file" :what:This happened Sunday evening, and I was out of town at another advanced training class on Wednesday when a detective called me about the incident. I explained what had happened, about the training, and that idjit was lucky I didn't file A&B charges for his actions. Last I heard about that incident, but I was told later that LEO thought I was too assertive for a woman :banghead:

Sadly, open carry would not have stopped idjit. Can't fix stupid.

Open carrymight have stopped the second idjit. We were staying at a hotel close to the airport in a metro area that was convenient to several areas we were visiting. The first room we were assigned happened to be in the middle of a block of rooms that were occupied by the employees of an out-of-state construction crew. We had unloaded the vehicle into the room under their eyes and then found that the telephone in the room didn't work. No way was I staying there, so I called the front desk on my cell and they were sending the SG with a new room key and to help us move. 20 minutes later, we were still waiting and had already loaded the vehicle, including 3 rifle cases and 4 pistol cases. As we waited, I began to get the feeling that we were being stalked. As I scanned the area, I noticed that the guys hanging out in front of the room next to us had grown in numbers to 5 outside and I think there were at least 2 inside. That is when I sat in my vehicle, shut the door and proceeded to switch from my 9mm to my .45. The guys went inside the room but I noticed that the curtain of the roomwas being peeked through. I eventually pulled the gun with the laser grip and spotted the peeper. The curtain was let go, but I could tell they were still watching, so I continued to spot them until we could coordinate with the office that we were returning there to pick up the key. Yes, that is considered brandishing, but there were at least 5 young men in that room and I don't know how many more in the other rooms. I'll be 50 this year and not interested in letting anything get started if I can prevent it.

As they say, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

cheers ~~ okboomer
 

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lol, awesome story.

However, if I saw her running towards me, I probably would have assumed a defensive stance and my hand going towards my firearm.
 

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I used to live in Maine, up in Gorham, the only time I OC'd was taking a friends 22 revolver down the pit on my dirt bike. Hadda be open because I had no permit.

I only lived in Maine for 5 years but I got to know the place fairly well. It has it's ways about it and while living there permanently didn't appeal to me it does appeal to many.

What really pisses me off though is the influx of idiots from South of the Piscataqua River Bridge or North of the border. The twits from the South come in to the place for vacation and want it to be just like where they came from. Well it's not, so shut up.

The Canadians weren't all that bad except the flabbiest ones did love to wear speedo's on the beach at Old Orchard... theres an image I needed mind bleach to get out.

So good for you Jay for OC-ing, and fighting the good fight!
 

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I used to live in Maine, up in Gorham, the only time I OC'd was taking a friends 22 revolver down the pit on my dirt bike. Hadda be open because I had no permit.

I only lived in Maine for 5 years but I got to know the place fairly well. It has it's ways about it and while living there permanently didn't appeal to me it does appeal to many.

What really pisses me off though is the influx of idiots from South of the Piscataqua River Bridge or North of the border. The twits from the South come in to the place for vacation and want it to be just like where they came from. Well it's not, so shut up.

The Canadians weren't all that bad except the flabbiest ones did love to wear speedo's on the beach at Old Orchard... theres an image I needed mind bleach to get out.

So good for you Jay for OC-ing, and fighting the good fight!
i cant stand the people that come up from NY and act like they are still in NY, especialy the "gangsters" haha and to let you know OOB put a ordanance BANNING the wearing of speedos on the beach haha no more fat frenchies lol
 

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jay75009 wrote:
well Maine for one has a good semaritain law, stating that you are free from legal suit or arrest for aiding someone whos life is in danger, the swing side of it is that if you witness a murder or vicious beating and stand ther to watch instead of trying to aid the person or save their life, you are often held as an accomplice to the crime because crimes seem to have become a spectator sport.
Jay can you cite that please?
 

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jay75009 wrote:
well Maine for one has a good semaritain law, stating that you are free from legal suit or arrest for aiding someone whos life is in danger, the swing side of it is that if you witness a murder or vicious beating and stand ther to watch instead of trying to aid the person or save their life, you are often held as an accomplice to the crime because crimes seem to have become a spectator sport.

I'm pretty sure the good semaritan laws do not allow a person to be charged as an accomplice to a crime, simply for witnessing it. Do you have any examples of this? It seems to me this was in a Seinfeld episode.

I believe some countries have a"duty to rescue" concept that might work this way.
 

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buster81 wrote:
jay75009 wrote:
well Maine for one has a good semaritain law, stating that you are free from legal suit or arrest for aiding someone whos life is in danger, the swing side of it is that if you witness a murder or vicious beating and stand ther to watch instead of trying to aid the person or save their life, you are often held as an accomplice to the crime because crimes seem to have become a spectator sport.

I'm pretty sure the good semaritan laws do not allow a person to be charged as an accomplice to a crime, simply for witnessing it. Do you have any examples of this? It seems to me this was in a Seinfeld episode.

I believe some countries have a"duty to rescue" concept that might work this way.
Off the top of my head, some states penalize spectators of street racing... http://www.popcenter.org/problems/street_racing/3
 

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cloudcroft wrote:
If I KNOW the victim is a naive, anti-gun secular humanist socialist "progressive" liberal, then I won't assist. I'm not a cop...it's not my job, and legally speaking, as per courtdecisions, it's not even a cop's job.
If I suspected all or a portion of the above... I wouldn't either. They're usually easy to 'make' just by their dress and deportment (or lack thereof). They're all too ready to bite the hand that could save them, butyet expect that same 'hand' to do so as per the OP above. I've heard/read variations of this same scenario from all over. 'Sounds 'cold'... but I have little pity for those who won't defend themselves and rail loudly against those who would (and do).
 
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