"If I wanted America to fail"

[Beretta92FSLady]

This discussion is pointless if we're not reasonable. Shall we make an attempt? Give me a reasonable answer.

Why should one person pay more for government services than someone else?

We can't agree on what constitutes Reasonable, and not-Reasonable.

I have stated that the wealthy ought to pay a higher tax rate because they can afford it. You find my proposal not-Reasonable; so we are kind of, well, stuck here.

The wealthy ought to pay more because they have reaped greater benefit from the System.

It doesn't matter how it's diced, the wealthy ought to pay more in taxes. I have given much thought to this, and am hard-pressed to justify why Romney would pay 13% on 20-some-odd million per year, while a friend of mine pays somewhere in the neighborhood of 35% on a 110,000 bucks per year.

The wealthy own businesses that pay workers minimum wage, Walmart for example. The owners of Walmart are worth, collectively, more than Bill Gates. The owners benefit from paying individuals a not-livable wage where the individual is forced to rely on the state to help with money, food, and health insurance; it is merely another avenue that wealthy business owners are subsidized. Funny Republicans b*tch about the poor getting help, but are just fine with the wealthy working the system where they get tax breaks, and subsidies that add to their treasure chest of wealth.

My goodness, now I think the wealthy ought to be taxed at least 90%. Thanks for the help!

 

[georg jetson]

We can't agree on what constitutes Reasonable, and not-Reasonable.

I have stated that the wealthy ought to pay a higher tax rate because they can afford it. You find my proposal not-Reasonable; so we are kind of, well, stuck here.

The wealthy ought to pay more because they have reaped greater benefit from the System.

Ok... we can work with this. It is reasonable to think that if greater benefits are received then a greater price should be paid. However, the problem is not that the rich pay to little, it's that they MAY receive greater benefits. So, how exactly do they receive greater benefits?

It doesn't matter how it's diced, the wealthy ought to pay more in taxes. I have given much thought to this, and am hard-pressed to justify why Romney would pay 13% on 20-some-odd million per year, while a friend of mine pays somewhere in the neighborhood of 35% on a 110,000 bucks per year.

The wealthy own businesses that pay workers minimum wage, Walmart for example. The owners of Walmart are worth, collectively, more than Bill Gates. The owners benefit from paying individuals a not-livable wage where the individual is forced to rely on the state to help with money, food, and health insurance; it is merely another avenue that wealthy business owners are subsidized. Funny Republicans b*tch about the poor getting help, but are just fine with the wealthy working the system where they get tax breaks, and subsidies that add to their treasure chest of wealth.

My goodness, now I think the wealthy ought to be taxed at least 90%. Thanks for the help!

If you have given "much thought" to this then you should be able to articulate the answer to question I've posed above. It is key that we discover exactly what benefits the wealthy are realizing so that we all know what it is they will be paying for...

 

[mpguy]

We can't agree on what constitutes Reasonable, and not-Reasonable.

I have stated that the wealthy ought to pay a higher tax rate because they can afford it. You find my proposal not-Reasonable; so we are kind of, well, stuck here.

The wealthy ought to pay more because they have reaped greater benefit from the System.

It doesn't matter how it's diced, the wealthy ought to pay more in taxes. I have given much thought to this, and am hard-pressed to justify why Romney would pay 13% on 20-some-odd million per year, while a friend of mine pays somewhere in the neighborhood of 35% on a 110,000 bucks per year.

The wealthy own businesses that pay workers minimum wage, Walmart for example. The owners of Walmart are worth, collectively, more than Bill Gates. The owners benefit from paying individuals a not-livable wage where the individual is forced to rely on the state to help with money, food, and health insurance; it is merely another avenue that wealthy business owners are subsidized. Funny Republicans b*tch about the poor getting help, but are just fine with the wealthy working the system where they get tax breaks, and subsidies that add to their treasure chest of wealth.

My goodness, now I think the wealthy ought to be taxed at least 90%. Thanks for the help!

Then why not just say screw it. If you make say 100k through 200k u pay this. Scale it up as you go. I agree with from the double edge sword of view. Yes someone making 20 mil should pay more than, a 100k person. At the same time though, you cant take everything they have though.

If it's not profitable for them to be here, they will:

A.. say screw it and move.

B.. outsource the product, which makes us lose jobs.

Out sourcing is one of the biggest problems in this country. That and the fact that most of my generation and some after me think, the job is suppose to just be handed to them at 75k a year out of highschool.

It doesn't work that way. The other is corporate greed. They use you up, dry you out, then a few years before your pention is due and retirement, they force you to take a early payout or you get the can.

Until the PEOPLE start to get it and take back this country, it will stay this way. IMHO, this country has gotten lazy and forgotten what it took to get were we are today.

I feel for our kids and future military men and women. God help them all.


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[Freedom1Man]

If I wanted America to fail I would tell everyone to file a 1040 every year.

I would encourage people who are too stupid to read the tax laws to keep voting.

I would maintain corporate person hood.

 

[OC for ME]

I hate buying things. Most of the things I get are from Craigslist "Free" section. There are a lot of good things that people throw away. It's actually quite sad what people throw away. <snip>

But you buy ammo....unless there is a section on Craig's list that has free ammo.

Being anti-rich folks is not the same as being anti-free market capitalism. Loony-lib-sock-puppets are predictably hypocritical. This is America and their hypocrit-ness is essential for the proper functioning of our republic.

Just cuz you don't like it is no excuse to not respect them for being out there with their loony-lib-sock-puppet-ness.

 

[jbone]

My goodness, now I think the wealthy ought to be taxed at least 90%. Thanks for the help!

Some pretty sick views, although I'm sure Karl and Frederick would love you for your support.
"A heavy progressive or graduated income tax"

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

Some pretty sick views, although I'm sure Karl and Frederick would love you for your support.
"A heavy progressive or graduated income tax"

Fredrick despised the Nazi's, and Marx.

 

[jbone]

Fredrick despised the Nazi's, and Marx.

Nice distracter?

Anyway, unless I got this wrong, I can't figure were a Social Nationalist, National Socialist, and Communist would see eye-to-eye.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

Nice distracter?

Anyway, unless I got this wrong, I can't figure were a Social Nationalist, National Socialist, and Communist would see eye-to-eye.

I would say Jew-hate'n, but not all of the three outlined hate Jews.

Nationalism is good for a State, IMO. National Pride in America has dissolved over the decades, and it is a contributor to our National problem.

God (YHWH, Jehova, Jesus...whoever) is a Communist.

Socialism, if implemented, ought to be National. But be careful of Fascism.

 

[Whitney]

Rationalization ????

I would say Jew-hate'n, but not all of the three outlined hate Jews.

Nationalism is good for a State, IMO. National Pride in America has dissolved over the decades, and it is a contributor to our National problem.

God (YHWH, Jehova, Jesus...whoever) is a Communist.

Socialism, if implemented, ought to be National. But be careful of Fascism.

Communism if implemented properly works just as well, Cuba is an example. A college educated population supported by the state. It was not until very recently Cuba allowed business owners to move to a more capitalistic model. Why do you believe Castro allowed that to happen?

~Whitney

 

[Freedom1Man]

I would say Jew-hate'n, but not all of the three outlined hate Jews.

Nationalism is good for a State, IMO. National Pride in America has dissolved over the decades, and it is a contributor to our National problem.

God (YHWH, Jehova, Jesus...whoever) is a Communist.

Socialism, if implemented, ought to be National. But be careful of Fascism.

So you support communism and national socialism?

The National Socialist Workers party was a branch of the democratic party which IS/WAS the NAZI party.
Calling the Germans anti-jew is like calling Americans anti-Nipponese.

If you're one who wants to live in a socialist country then please leave mine. My country was never to be a socialist country. A socialist country is a destruction of private property rights, privacy rights, and is group slavery because you don't own the fruits of your labor any more.

If the government can tax your labor at ANY rate then it owns your labor and thus owns you. When some one else owns the fruits of your labor you are a slave to them.

Even plantain slaves had to be fed, housed, and treated medically.

If the government can control your medical coverage, tax your labor, and control your housing (see zoning and building laws) you are a slave. The difference is that you don't have a whip cracked across your back.

If you wish to live like that then please move to somewhere other than the United States of America.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

Communism if implemented properly works just as well, Cuba is an example. A college educated population supported by the state. It was not until very recently Cuba allowed business owners to move to a more capitalistic model. Why do you believe Castro allowed that to happen?

~Whitney

Actually, Communism works quite well in some States. Cuba is a great example. They have one of the lowest HIV rates in the world. When there are category 5 hurricanes, very few people ever die. They have Universal Healthcare.

Capitalism can be just as bad as Communism, when it's bad.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

So you support communism and national socialism?

Capitalism murders masses of individuals; just not overtly like the two you outlined. So, based on that premise, I support all three.

The National Socialist Workers party was a branch of the democratic party which IS/WAS the NAZI party.
Calling the Germans anti-jew is like calling Americans anti-Nipponese.

Here we go, tying Democrats to Nazi's--same old story. If that is the case, I could care less.

If you're one who wants to live in a socialist country then please leave mine. My country was never to be a socialist country. A socialist country is a destruction of private property rights, privacy rights, and is group slavery because you don't own the fruits of your labor any more.

I can stay here if I want; I was born in America, I am an American. You or any of your friends want me to leave, you want to chuff me off somewhere, come to my door and take your best shot. America has been part Socialist for many decades, this isn't a new thing.

If the government can tax your labor at ANY rate then it owns your labor and thus owns you. When some one else owns the fruits of your labor you are a slave to them.

The Government does own you, get over it. The Government can tax you whatever it agrees to tax you. You are a slave. You think you are free, but you are not.

Even plantain slaves had to be fed, housed, and treated medically.

Well, you have neither of those three, slave, unless you work for it.

If the government can control your medical coverage, tax your labor, and control your housing (see zoning and building laws) you are a slave. The difference is that you don't have a whip cracked across your back.

You, and me are slaves, period.

If you wish to live like that then please move to somewhere other than the United States of America.

America will become more Socialist. Get over your false impression of Freedom, Liberty, Choice, and America.

 

[Whitney]

Touche

Actually, Communism works quite well in some States. Cuba is a great example. They have one of the lowest HIV rates in the world. When there are category 5 hurricanes, very few people ever die. They have Universal Healthcare.

Capitalism can be just as bad as Communism, when it's bad.

Very well said, and there in lies the rub. Bad is only as bad as one perceives it to be. Bad to me may not be bad to another; hell it may even be normal depending on what part of the country you are standing in.

While I do not agree with your tax scheme,(because I work very hard for my $$), I would rather see a flat tax across the board and a VAT replace all forms of sales tax. VAT keeps the Black Market to a minimum, everyone in the chain benefits, and the flat tax means you and I both pay our fair share regardless of income.

Just because I may earn more than some one else does not mean I am better off. Dont hate me because I am frugal or smart with my $$$. I understand what it is like to be unemployed and living on public assistnace, believe me I have the T-shirt. Taxing the piss out of me will force me to shelter my money from those who would take and subsequently distribute it. Dont get me wrong Iḿ willing to help out those who are willing to help themselves. Iam not willing to hand my money over to someone who is not willing to help themselves and have no intention to.

Unless our government can get un-polarized (is that a word?) from the left and right there will never be progress for either of us. Do you believe there is somewhere to meet in the middle?

~Whitney

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

[snippers]

Unless our government can get un-polarized (is that a word?) from the left and right there will never be progress for either of us. Do you believe there is somewhere to meet in the middle?

~Whitney

Yes, there is: the wealthy have to pay a greater percentage than those who make much less. Minimum wage ought to be fifteen bucks and hour. We ought to have Universal Healthcare, get private insurance out of profiting from the death and misery of individuals. There's a start. I am a broken record.

I am sure you hardly make what Romney makes per year; I could be wrong. If that's the case, when you are unemployed, you ought not be allowed to collect unemployment.

Some believe that if the wealthy are taxed, they will go somewhere else, NOPE. Where else would they go? Some say that the wealthy would rathole their money if taxed too much, they rathole it now. Some say a lot of things...

 

[DrakeZ07]

[SNIP]God (YHWH, Jehova, Jesus...whoever) is a Communist.[SNIP]

So, does this mean that Jesus is a Democrat? Since Democrats are the very spawn of Communists? And can I make a bumper sticker of what you said about god?

@Freedom1Man: We're already a Socialist state... We've been one since Lincoln was in office... Just saying brah.

 

[Freedom1Man]

Capitalism murders masses of individuals; just not overtly like the two you outlined. So, based on that premise, I support all three.

I am not a capitalist. I am a free market supporter.

Here we go, tying Democrats to Nazi's--same old story. If that is the case, I could care less.

Facts are facts.

I can stay here if I want; I was born in America, I am an American. You or any of your friends want me to leave, you want to chuff me off somewhere, come to my door and take your best shot. America has been part Socialist for many decades, this isn't a new thing.

Read my tag the court disagrees.

The Government does own you, get over it. The Government can tax you whatever it agrees to tax you. You are a slave. You think you are free, but you are not.

Since you're proving that you don't want freedom then please stop exercising it.

Well, you have neither of those three, slave, unless you work for it.

Ah so you're pro slavery. That is good to know. Please shout it from the roof tops.

You, and me are slaves, period.

Sorry no SSN so I am not a numbered slave like most of your people.

Enjoy your slavery.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

I am not a capitalist. I am a free market supporter.

Ah, so you are a Capitalist.

Facts are facts.

Fact can be Facts, but they are not necessarily Facts.

Read my tag the court disagrees.

So, if SCOTUS makes a Finding, then it is agreeable to you?

Since you're proving that you don't want freedom then please stop exercising it.

Why should I? I will exercise my Freedom when, and how I wish.

Ah so you're pro slavery. That is good to know. Please shout it from the roof tops.

No, I am pro-Realist.

Sorry no SSN so I am not a numbered slave like most of your people.

I take it you have never legitimately worked for an employer. So, you are either wealthy, in that case, you ought to have the piss taxed out of you; or you work under the table, and pay no taxes. I smell a Sovereign. Do you walk around with red pens?

Enjoy your slavery.

The Government owns you. Wake up.

 

[Freedom1Man]

Ah, so you are a Capitalist.

I am not a capitalist. I don't practice enslaving others like socialists and capitalists do.

Fact can be Facts, but they are not necessarily Facts.

Please explain this conundrum.

So, if SCOTUS makes a Finding, then it is agreeable to you?

Well you've not proven it to be wrong or overturned.

Why should I? I will exercise my Freedom when, and how I wish.

Hypocrite

No, I am pro-Realist.

What I am saying is real, why do you advocate breaking the law? By advocating the theft of the labors from your fellow countrymen. As freemen we have an inalienable right to the fruits of our labor.

I take it you have never legitimately worked for an employer. So, you are either wealthy, in that case, you ought to have the piss taxed out of you; or you work under the table, and pay no taxes. I smell a Sovereign. Do you walk around with red pens?

Please cite the law the uses the definition of the term "employer" as you are using it. The IRC says that someone is only an "employer" if they have volunteered to participate in the Socialist Security program by filling out a FROM SS-4.

The Government owns you. Wake up.

I wish they would come and collect you.

 

[Beretta92FSLady]

I am not a capitalist. I don't practice enslaving others like socialists and capitalists do.

Of course you don't, you are anti-slavery.

Please explain this conundrum.

You figure it out.

Well you've not proven it to be wrong or overturned.

It's not my job.

Hypocrite

Every day, and twice on Sunday.

What I am saying is real, why do you advocate breaking the law? By advocating the theft of the labors from your fellow countrymen. As freemen we have an inalienable right to the fruits of our labor.

What you are stating is a projection of Real. We are not Free; get over it. Inalienable Right do not exist.

Please cite the law the uses the definition of the term "employer" as you are using it. The IRC says that someone is only an "employer" if they have volunteered to participate in the Socialist Security program by filling out a FROM SS-4.

I don't have to; the State mandates something based on the interpretation of the Constitution, and individuals pay the tax. I suspect you pay the tax as well. Unless you are one of those hard-core sovereigns who haven't paid taxes in years; that's assuming you got a job without a SS number. You are linked to the Federal Government, no matter what color pen you sign your name with--no matter what number or syntax you use to sign your checks, Government documents, drivers license, etc.

I wish they would come and collect you.

'They' will, I am sure. You sure don't like others expressing their opinion, do you? I could only imagine the State you Hope to have some day. I am sure it is the a Ideal one. First, you would get rid of any person--sorry--Collect any person that you don't agree with. People like you make me laugh because you actually believe the nonsense. You are Government property, pay your allegiance.