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jmlefler

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Tomahawk wrote:
marshaul wrote:
As a little aside: contemplation of this inherent tension, so magnified by external authority as it is, often causes me to sway further in favor of anarchism over the libertarian minarchism I normally espouse.

I have noticed this disturbing tendency in my own thinking, as well. The implications of this are steep, which, I think, is one of the reasons many people avoid learning and thinking about this stuff. Once you come to a certain point, you realize that you may now be a radical and your honesty demands that you conduct yourself accordingly. It is around this time that friends and family wonder if you've become some kind of nut. Which is why I avoid discussing politics at work and in many social situations.

That said, I can't make the complete jump from minarchism to rational anarchism. I find too many reasons not to. Topic for anther thread maybe...
Welcome to the journey of personal existentialism. Oh the anguish, oh the despair...

Just who is John Galt?

Carry on
 

marshaul

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jmlefler wrote:
Tomahawk wrote:
marshaul wrote:
As a little aside: contemplation of this inherent tension, so magnified by external authority as it is, often causes me to sway further in favor of anarchism over the libertarian minarchism I normally espouse.

I have noticed this disturbing tendency in my own thinking, as well. The implications of this are steep, which, I think, is one of the reasons many people avoid learning and thinking about this stuff. Once you come to a certain point, you realize that you may now be a radical and your honesty demands that you conduct yourself accordingly. It is around this time that friends and family wonder if you've become some kind of nut. Which is why I avoid discussing politics at work and in many social situations.

That said, I can't make the complete jump from minarchism to rational anarchism. I find too many reasons not to. Topic for anther thread maybe...
Welcome to the journey of personal existentialism.  Oh the anguish, oh the despair...

Just who is John Galt?

Carry on
I made a thread hoping to continue on this line of discussion, although little headway has been made. :)

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/19582.html
 

Tomahawk

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jmlefler wrote:
Tomahawk wrote:
marshaul wrote:
As a little aside: contemplation of this inherent tension, so magnified by external authority as it is, often causes me to sway further in favor of anarchism over the libertarian minarchism I normally espouse.

I have noticed this disturbing tendency in my own thinking, as well. The implications of this are steep, which, I think, is one of the reasons many people avoid learning and thinking about this stuff. Once you come to a certain point, you realize that you may now be a radical and your honesty demands that you conduct yourself accordingly. It is around this time that friends and family wonder if you've become some kind of nut. Which is why I avoid discussing politics at work and in many social situations.

That said, I can't make the complete jump from minarchism to rational anarchism. I find too many reasons not to. Topic for anther thread maybe...
Welcome to the journey of personal existentialism. Oh the anguish, oh the despair...

Just who is John Galt?

Carry on
LOL! Rand didn't believe in drinking alcohol. I suffer from no such handicap.
 

Tomahawk

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Devils Advocate wrote:
So whatmarshaul seems to besaying is that citizens should be allowed to make a buck any way they can as long as it is not done in an aggressive way.

I should also be allowed to steal unattended property from cars and sell it to others willing to buy stolen goods. Nobody is hurt and this is done between two consenting adults.
I have been quietly skimming over your posts since you showed up with your vast knowledge, and I've come to the conclusion that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Stealing property is aggression against a person's right to property (as in "life, liberty, and property"), thus invalidating your argument.

Normally, I would assume that the poster knows this and is just trying to argue, especially with a name like "Devil's Advocate", but in your case I think you honestly don't understand the connection between private property and a person's life and liberty.

I would suggest you read John Locke's 2nd Treatise on Government, one of Jefferson's sources of ideas. Even if you don't believe any of it, you'll at least know where the rest of us are coming from.
 
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