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Locked Threads and Freedom

Should threads be locked on a site dedicated to defending individual liberty?

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Michigan_Man

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ghostrider wrote:
"I don't care if I had to use inaccuracies and misinformation to make my point. My point still remains! Why won't you people listen to me!"


FYI,
Around here, you need to have your facts straight. People on these boards tend to be sticklers for such things for a very good reason. It also helps to state a point, and using misinformation only weakens it. Of course, I'm guessing this will go completely over your head, but at least I tried. I suppose.
No, you have not tried at all. You keep repeating yourself while never explaining yourself. You continue to act arrogant, insult people, and presume your argument to be self evident. State clearly and precisely what exactly you think the inaccuracies and misinformation are as well as how and why they are relevant.
 

kyleplusitunes

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well Michigan man and walther, had you been at the event, you could have asked kimberguy to give up his second amendment right, but since you weren't there, why spend time on the boards discussing it? the issue has Been resolved.

you're welcome to come to Memphis smoke on the 13 and ask people who youdont think should carry their weapons to leave also.

I personally show up and ask people who carry sprindfields to leave, and also walthers.

join me and you can ask long arms to leave. we will be the anti second amendment duo.
 

Michigan_Man

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kyleplusitunes wrote:
well Michigan man and walther, had you been at the event, you could have asked kimberguy to give up his second amendment right, but since you weren't there, why spend time on the boards discussing it? the issue has Been resolved.

you're welcome to come to Memphis smoke on the 13 and ask people who youdont think should carry their weapons to leave also.

I personally show up and ask people who carry sprindfields to leave, and also walthers.

join me and you can ask long arms to leave. we will be the anti second amendment duo.
Sir, since I have no way of knowing I cannot say that your statement is intentionally misleading. Clearly the issue here is not one of the right to keep arms, but rather honesty in presenting one's self. You claim that I am opposed to the right to carry arms. Using your logic I could then accuse you of being against property rights. However, to presume intentions and beliefs is not logical and so I will not do that. I could not have been more clear in my objections. My objections, and the objections of WaltherP99c from what I can tell, were that the owner of a business was asked permission to open carry under the presumption that only handguns would be included and that that trust was violated (either before or after the event was planned). I just laid out that argument in a previous post. I have trouble seeing how an honest appraisal of my perspective could leave one believing that I oppose the freedom to carry firearms.

Also for the record I carry a Ruger P89, not a Springfield.
 

ghostrider

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Michigan_Man wrote:
ghostrider wrote:
"I don't care if I had to use inaccuracies and misinformation to make my point. My point still remains! Why won't you people listen to me!"


FYI,
Around here, you need to have your facts straight. People on these boards tend to be sticklers for such things for a very good reason. It also helps to state a point, and using misinformation only weakens it. Of course, I'm guessing this will go completely over your head, but at least I tried. I suppose.
No, you have not tried at all. You keep repeating yourself while never explaining yourself. You continue to act arrogant, insult people, and presume your argument to be self evident. State clearly and precisely what exactly you think the inaccuracies and misinformation are as well as how and why they are relevant.
Now that right there is funny.
 

Franktroplis

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WaltherP99C wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
At least you and your pseudonym have gotten your font sizes straightened out.
Are you saying that Michigan_Man and WaltherP99c are the same person?
I'm still waiting for a direct answer to this question. Your video explaining how stupid I am didn't actually answer the question.
 

maahes

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Lets get back on track here. The actual topic of this thread is not the Lansing event. The topic is "Locked Threads and Freedom" not "come here to bitch and moan about members."

Michigan_Man wrote:
I was about to post in the Ponderosa thread when I realized that it was locked. I'm curious as to how an organization dedicated to defending individual liberty reconciles the locking of threads and the advocacy of freedom of firearms? WaltherP99 had clearly just proven, Q.E.D., his point and after that the thread was immediately locked. I think there is a lot of apologizing that needs to be done after all the insults that were hurled at him. He proved his point and his freedom was denied.

Either you support freedom or you do not. Either you support civility and mutual respect, or you do not.

You also asked "Should threads be locked on a site dedicated to defending individual liberty?"

Let me be the first to welcome you to the internet. You must be new around these parts. Let me explain a few things so you can get the lay of the land.

First let me explain how the internet works, you are connecting from your computer through a series of tubes that connect you to a server owned or leased by another individual. While it may appear that these forums are a "public" venue they are in fact provided by an individual or group of individuals for use by people they allow access. The owners of the servers retain the same rights as private property owners, as others have pointed out to you. When you become a member you agree to be bound to the rules and regulations of said owners. Unless the site in question is owned by an openly traded company where you own stock in said company, or you are a partner or are required to provide membership "dues" for access, you have no legal or financial ownership of anything on that site. In a message board such as this you do not own the text that you submit. When you "submit" your post it becomes the property of the person or persons that owns said server. Those owners may use the data for any means they see fit. This information can be used up to the extent provided in the terms of service or user privacy guidelines. If allowed by said guidelines they could sell your information to an ad agency, provide your information to government authorities, or even delete your information if they see fit. While its stated in the rules "you own your words" multiple courts have found that the owners/operators of a website are responsible for its content.

By your definition you should be able to post porn and they cant do anything about it, (especially since there is nothing in the rules) try it lets see how long you last.

Second, when becoming the member of this site you agreed to abide by the rules set forth by the owners. There is nothing requiring you to stay on this site. If you dont agree with the rules or the way things are ran BY THE OWNERS then you can take your buisness (or lack of) elsewhere. Here's a tip pressing this combo of keys <ALT>+ <F4> will allow you to easily leave. Of course there is also the back button, the X, and even file-close, take your pick, theres lots of options.

If you cant abide by the rules here on the internet, how is your abiding by the rules in real life going? Continual disregard of the easy rules here makes some of us question your ability to follow the more difficult rules of gun ownership.
 
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"Don't confuse the truth with facts!!!"

"Don't bother me with the facts. I'm telling you the truth!!!"
 
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WaltherP99C wrote:
WaltherP99C wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
At least you and your pseudonym have gotten your font sizes straightened out.
Are you saying that Michigan_Man and WaltherP99c are the same person?
I'm still waiting for a direct answer to this question. Your video explaining how stupid I am didn't actually answer the question.
Why does michigan_man log off every time you log on to post on the forum? And vice versa?
 

jvanhorn

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maahes wrote:


If you cant abide by the rules here on the internet, how is your abiding by the rules in real life going? Continual disregard of the easy rules here makes some of us question your ability to follow the more difficult rules of gun ownership.
Well said, in my opinion. For what that's worth.
 

Michigan_Man

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CV67PAT wrote:
WaltherP99C wrote:
WaltherP99C wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
At least you and your pseudonym have gotten your font sizes straightened out.
Are you saying that Michigan_Man and WaltherP99c are the same person?
I'm still waiting for a direct answer to this question. Your video explaining how stupid I am didn't actually answer the question.
Why does michigan_man log off every time you log on to post on the forum? And vice versa?
Is that a yes or no?
 

Franktroplis

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Michigan_Man wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
WaltherP99C wrote:
WaltherP99C wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
At least you and your pseudonym have gotten your font sizes straightened out.
Are you saying that Michigan_Man and WaltherP99c are the same person?
I'm still waiting for a direct answer to this question. Your video explaining how stupid I am didn't actually answer the question.
Why does michigan_man log off every time you log on to post on the forum? And vice versa?
Is that a yes or no?
He won't answer.
(I wonder what it means when we are online at the same time?)
 
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Kids came home from school and wanted their computer back huh?
 

jvanhorn

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WaltherP99C wrote:

(I wonder what it means when we are online at the same time?)
Not saying that you are the same person as MichiganMan, but I don't think it's a good idea to trust the online and offline status in the header. I was reading this, and mine said I was offline?
 

Evil Creamsicle

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...speaking of talking about freedom and rights.


I guess you could consider this website 'private property'. Lest Mike and Jpierce find you guilty of 'trespassing' and 'remove you from the premises', as would be their right, in this applicable simile.
 
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Waltherp99c/michigan_man had an OCDO sign-up party on December 30. 2009. It appears though that he/she was the only invitees/attendees from Taylortucky/Southgate. Or any of Michigan for that matter.
 

Franktroplis

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CV67PAT wrote:
Waltherp99c/michigan_man had an OCDO sign-up party on December 30. 2009. It appears though that he/she was the only invitees/attendees from Taylortucky/Southgate. Or any of Michigan for that matter.
Answer the question.
 
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WaltherP99C/Michigan_Man wrote:
He won't answer.
(I wonder what it means when we are online at the same time?)
Just how is that done???

That's amazing!!!
 
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He keeps going and going and going and going and going...
 
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