first off the GRNC likes to hide it but they are very much opposed to CARRY. especially OC. to ask me to give up my personal protection AND pay money for it is just as bad as the brady bunch, to which case i have carried to anti events. what about the CC or the LE that will be there? will that make the LE unloaded. of course they should. if they were for carry they would have never set this up
Here we finally get to the meat of the matter- it's an anti GRNC rant, as usual, with little regard to the actual claimed matter. A lot of this BS was covered many moons ago but you just can't let it go. No worries.
As to LE and CC there, everyone is treated the same and expected to follow the rules. It's not a carry issue, it's a safety issue. All people, LEO or not, are asked to unload while in the office area. Off-duty LEOs, CCers, everyone. If an LEO is there on duty and as part of his/ her job, they are allowed to remain loaded. Why? Because they are in an official capacity and will be there only momentarily and are not expected to be out there shooting, like everyone else will be. In other words, it's because they are not going to be HANDLING their weapons like most others there will be. The
owner himself doesn't even carry loaded inside, so it's not an issue of them wanting to control people's rights while they can remain armed.
second if the IDIOT will shoot you on the range, then they will shoot you off the range. if i don't touch my personal protection firearm (only if i need it) then there is no way to shoot anybody.
If that were true, they would never have to create that rule. Instead, no less than three incidents have happened to date, so they created that rule. The two ladies who showed up as part of a Ladies Only class certainly didn't shoot anyone while out in public, yet they happened to both shoot off a round unintentionally there while showing up and showing other people their guns. Those two incidents happened within a minute or so. The third ND happened at a different date, but under the same circumstances: the person had his gun out and was showing it to someone else while waiting in line inside. Oops, but I'm sure he thought the weapon was unloaded at the time.
Only after those three events did the range create the rule. Why? Because sometimes good people just don't think and an accident happens.
Despite your arguments to the contrary, GRNC had nothing to do with that. As to an idiot who might also shoot you out on the firing line, yes- that also happens, too. But the firing line is a bit more controlled there and people take commands from an RSO (like pretty much every other public range in the world). When an RSO says "lock and clear all weapons" before allowing people to go down range to check targets, is that also a restriction on rights? Yes? No?
I noticed no one has answered that one yet. Anyway...
getting past all your hyperbole. what the hell does ******* have to do with self protection? very childish statement. how old are you 5, 10? you seem to be very much against self protection and carry in general
have you thought about giving up you firearms and openly protesting guns. i think the anti's are for more honest at least you know where you stand with them, well sort of
Ahh yes, out come the personal insults. Any idea why you got booted from other forums now? I think this is a great example, honestly. But no, I am 47, in fact. And I'm willing to stand here and have you mine posts of mine to show me where I am "very much against self protection and carry in general" lol. Go ahead, present your case. Show the world how a man who openly carries at all times where legal to do so (and who has never had a CHP) is against carry in general. This should be good.
nothing is worst then a person that is supposed to be on your side, and then turn out to be a back stabber. if you want to pay someone for disarming you go for it. i am not that stupid.
i will not give my money to someone who wants me to not carry.
Exactly
who is telling you that you can't carry? All the range is saying is that they want you to be unloaded while inside their office area lol. That's it! The reasons have been stated over and over again. Next.
Sorry ROTORHEAD, i get my email in a backwords order
No worries, take your time, sir.
you are right this range does have every privilege of law to bar self defense
Cool deal, except it's been explained over and over again that it's not a self-defense issue. It's a safety issue they implemented after
three previous incidents that happened prior to that rule being in place. Why is that so hard to understand? If three visitors to your house blew off rounds while showing you their guns, would you not consider some kind of similar rule in the future??
But let's get back to the real issue at hand, at least how I see it anyway....
but this still does not excuse GRNC from chosen this site. even if it was centrally located (which it is not). if the GRNC was not against carry then they could have found somewhere else to hold it
Yes, there it is. It's a GRNC issue to you. The evil GRNC who hates pretty much everyone in your eyes, purposefully chose this range simply because the range also hates gun owners...and bikers...and OCers....and little kittens....and everything else under the sun, right? And check your map again- the range is fairly centrally located, but I'll admit to not taking out my tape measure and confirming it.
take a page from VCDL. have more events across the state, so more members can go
I think that's the general plan, actually. You have to remember that this is the first annual event for them. In other words, the first time they've done something like this, so I'm assuming they will branch out and try for other sites afterward, depending on how this one goes. As they grow, they are trying to expand into these kinds of events. Not every range they pick will have this same rule, I'm sure- mostly because it wasn't really a consideration for this event in the first place. Different ranges have different rules, and that stuff isn't always the first consideration when deciding where to hold these things.
I'm all about having these kinds of events in various locations, though. It's a great idea. Of course if they do have similar events at other locations, some people out there will always find one reason or another to gig them on it, I'm sure.
"This time they picked a range that's too far west, they hate coastal bikers!"
"This time they picked a range who's grass isn't green enough, they hate nature!"
"This time they picked a range that is too small/ big!"
"This time they picked a range where you can't shoot a .50 cal BMG, they hate people with automatic guns!"
I know, it sounds funny on the surface, but this is what happens- daily.
Whaddya do?
Have a great day.
