autosurgeon
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Michigander wrote:
I wasn't going to say any thing one way or the other on this one ... however now I will.
You have to be on condition red at all times when you are OCing. My procedure is as follows and I do it whether I am carrying or not.
1. Never have my back to the door in a eating place.
2. constantly scan for people close to me that might be a threat.
3. when I am looking at something in a store I try and stand so that I have my back to shelves and can watch the isle out of the corner of my eye.
4. when walking on a street I check my 6 frequently also 3 and 9
5. I never walk and talk on my cell phone in public.
6. When in a checkout line a stand sideways with my strong side next to my cart.
I am not telling you guys this to in any way brag or say that I have all the answers... but we have to be on our guard and good situational awareness can save us from many confrontations and or change the dynamics of the situation.
NOTE I am not saying that any of this could have prevented what happened in meijers.. but it might have at least changed the dynamics. Or it might not have I was not there so I cannot say for sure.
Keep you guard up your eyes roving and your back to the proverbial wall!
Carry On
Michigander wrote:
I have to agree with Michigander... We are peaceful ambassadors and we need to stay peaceful when dealing with law enforcement.Smoothsounds21 wrote:I'm sorry but my first instinct if that were to happen to me is to knock his friggin teeth out with my elbow and take him down, and I would have every right.
While you are right, and in fact in a surprise disarming situation killing the officer might have been justified, it's exactly the opposite from the appropriate thing to do if you know you're dealing with a cop. If we ever gained a reputation for being willing to fight it out with the police, the media would destroy us, and open carry could easily be banned at the state level resulting from a public outcry.
Unless you are truly in fear of being killed or seriously injured, there is NO reason to resist a cop. The law is already on our side. If a cop abuses someone seriously for open carrying, later court cases can easily result in 6 figures being paid out, the cop losing his or her job, and a shockwave of law enforcement officers being properly educated. All of this with us getting fairly positive attention if we act politely and professionally the whole time.
I wasn't going to say any thing one way or the other on this one ... however now I will.
You have to be on condition red at all times when you are OCing. My procedure is as follows and I do it whether I am carrying or not.
1. Never have my back to the door in a eating place.
2. constantly scan for people close to me that might be a threat.
3. when I am looking at something in a store I try and stand so that I have my back to shelves and can watch the isle out of the corner of my eye.
4. when walking on a street I check my 6 frequently also 3 and 9
5. I never walk and talk on my cell phone in public.
6. When in a checkout line a stand sideways with my strong side next to my cart.
I am not telling you guys this to in any way brag or say that I have all the answers... but we have to be on our guard and good situational awareness can save us from many confrontations and or change the dynamics of the situation.
NOTE I am not saying that any of this could have prevented what happened in meijers.. but it might have at least changed the dynamics. Or it might not have I was not there so I cannot say for sure.
Keep you guard up your eyes roving and your back to the proverbial wall!
Carry On