Tony4310
Regular Member
I just wanted to share it with you all lol. I wrote STL today and told them they got it wrong.
You are incorrect sir. There was indeed a very large rally for Troy it happened before the meeting between 11:30 pm and 6 the next day. I am not going to go into details on the internet but I can assure you a very effective rally took place.
You're request was for a "show of bodies" at Olivette was followed by your statement about a "rally" at Troy "linking" the two thoughts together. There was one, welcomed, "body" representing Missouri Open Carry at that Troy meeting.
While I appreciate any, and all, efforts "behind the scenes", if that is what you're referring to,
the decision to trash the amendment was made the Friday prior to the meeting after two local citizens met with public officials as well as the Troy Police Chief and County Sheriff, just so you know.
The point is that it was a win for the 2nd Amendment and not a personal victory for anyone.
Regards...
You are welcome to believe whatever you like sir, I know what was done and I know the person who did it seeks anonymity so I grant him that without regard to other theories.
You made your post and I saw it at approximately 11:00pm the night before the meeting, I know this because I called Doc and was concerned he would be in bed.
Beyond that it can remain a mystery as far as public discussion on the internet and you are welcome to whatever it is you want to think happened.
Have a bit more research to do, however this should be a high priority for everyone and we have a great group here in the Stl Market, now the question is, WILL YOU COME?
Five showed to the Maplewood call, we have had as many as 32 come eat dinner, I have no issue speaking publicly about it, nor do the others working for change. You do not have to speak but do you think we can put some bodies standing behind us this time?
We will be going with or without you and we will do our best, but if we do not have a show of support like we were able to rally in Troy, we will have an up hill battle.
Did you eat mexican food for the last several weeks just because you like it, or are you willing to stand with us and support the effort? Only you can make tht call.
I think this convo is best left in the PM box, guys. We don't need anyone reading this stuff and taking it out of context.
You "don't" know the whole story, obviously.
But I perceive that you are having some difficulty in admitting that as well as understanding the context of your own statements.
Can we agree that 2nd folks gained a victory in Troy and quit this confrontational attitude you exude?
All this...because I didn't want a wrong impression put out there about what took place at Troy and all based on the context of your own statements...sigh
Regards...
I think this convo is best left in the PM box, guys. We don't need anyone reading this stuff and taking it out of context.
Sorry Tony, but I ain't up for that, for whatever reason this guy is implying I am a liar and 100% of what I have said exist on the TROY thread. He is not going ti imply such things and then run to pm's to settle it.
I have 0 problem admitting anything and I am well aware of what I have and have not said. I have made no claim to having been at the troy meeting or any meeting prior to your posting the concern.
If you indeed were involved in the meetings prior as you say, which I have no reason to doubt, why did you bother posting it at all since you knew it was dead already?
I think you need to go back and take a good hard look at the thread because a lot of folks are going to indeed have more difficulty than myself believing that you knew it was dead on Friday and on Monday evening you were asking for volunteers to assist, it does not sell too well.
Now you MAY take exception to my use of the word "rally" but if you will quit pretending I am saying things I did not say and take your silly self back to the thread and look, what I have said is PRECISELY what happened only I was off by 30 mins it was after 11:30 pm and if you will read the whole damn thing you will see where I made sure Doc got credit for trying to help as well.
You seem to be implying that I aka LMTD am trying to take "credit" for the win in Troy, nothing could be further from the truth, nor have I made such a claim so get off it.
Now here is a sound and clear clue for you, I do not do ANYTHING for the OC movement, WE do things for the OC movement and as controversial as the topic of OC is, no one gets "credit" because no one person could get it done, it takes all of us and up until now I was not aware you considered yourself and others part of a separate movement.
If some how I have offended you by including you, well you might as well get used to being offended, I tend to do it a lot. Frankly I don't really have any idea where you get off playing this game because I consider a lot of folks working to help you a rally of support, but rest assured, I do not care what your opinion is, WE did it and I do not care if you are offended, you are supposed to be in control of yourself and I take no responsibility for your feelings what so ever, I do not change sir and I have never meant you any offense nor do I now, but if you imply again that I am taking credit for something or that I am trying to mislead folks again, I can assure you, I can become quite offensive and have no concerns what so ever about doing so.
If you can't follow a very simple line of thought (Olivette vs Troy) as I originally posted, how on earth could you ever convey complex ideals such as God-given rights.
Your comment to me, in our PM, about how you would approach LE at a meet n' greet told me all I needed to know. I wouldn't want you, personally, representing me in any capacity. That may work for others, but not me.
This is just a personal thought. It has nothing to do with Open Carry MO or anyone else, except you.
I'm certain that you are a nice enough person in general...but as a representative...not so much.
Good luck
Will you 2 stop hijacking this thread. At least go to a thread with Troy in the title. LMTD: this is not the time and place for this. Lincomores: do you need a high five or a good job congrats or what. Let it go and concentrate on the important task at hand.
Doc
I was called a teenager on the Olivette OC ban discussion lmao.....
I was called a teenager on the Olivette OC ban discussion lmao.....
Will you 2 stop hijacking this thread. At least go to a thread with Troy in the title. LMTD: this is not the time and place for this. Lincomores: do you need a high five or a good job congrats or what. Let it go and concentrate on the important task at hand.
Doc
Clue<==== print it out and put it in your pocket so you have one.
You keep trying to say the same thing and it doesn't change. A "rally of support" does not mean a physical presence in the context I used it. I understand you are totally confused over this, I can't help you with that, its YOUR problem.
I am sorry if you do not understand, but only you can fix that.
I told you the same thing I have said on this board. If an officer shows up at a meet and greet he is welcome to join, however, if he/she is there in an official capacity I would indeed ask them to leave. I also explained my position on video camera usage etc and several other things you indicated you had questions on, I frankly do not remember the entire conversation but I know it has nothing to do with this one.
I am not sure why you are referencing it as a "threat" I simply was stating I was being restrained some what in speaking directly to just how stupid I think you are being, but you opted to keep it going so there you go, you are acting like an idiot over your own misunderstanding of the word "rally" and I have to assume it is because for whatever reason you felt the need to act like a moron over it.
RALLY
a : to muster for a common purpose b : to recall to order
2
a : to arouse for action b : to rouse from depression or weakness
intransitive verb
1
: to come together again to renew an effort
2
: to join in a common cause
3
: recover, rebound <rallied briefly from his illness>
4
: to engage in a rally
Now that is from Webster, not your thought, but here is another clue for you, it is a transitive verb not a noun in the context in which it was used.
There was indeed an arousal to action and a boat load of people were awakened in the night to fight for 2a rights. And here is another clue for you that you can't seem to comprehend "we" were a part of it, you, myself and a hell of a lot of other folks.
Now since you seem more than hellbent over carrying it on, something I am always willing to do, instead of blathering along on the board here until Doc or one of the admins send me a PM and tell me to hush, why don't we just have a cup of coffee? I am free today for a bit, but need to work on the stuff for Olivette since I have the free time. Understand going into it that your thought of a nice in person type is misguided, I do not change and you may not find it a pleasant event and I have no intention of changing for you so you feel better.
Oh, and in case you are wondering, NO I will not be changing for the Olivette council meeting either, I have no desire to ask them politely for our rights that does not seem to work to well.
Want to chat? Shoot a PM of a time and place in the next couple of hours and I will haul myself up to troy and buy you a beverage.