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Our new VP?

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......Consider the Judges that might be appointed by Obama and McCain in that light: which are more likely to take action to insure the recently disparaged property rights of New Orleans residents in their firearms?
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A good indication of this could be drawn from who each chose as his running mate.

Lets See who is more friendly to all we hold dear....Biden or Palin......Hummmm.



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Allow me to hijack: I do love the fact that we have managed to attract such varied perspectives to this forum.

Now back to the subject: Sarah Palin is a better candidate for traditional Republican values as opposed to a Lieberman or a Giulliani. That said, she does lack in some areas. Joe Biden made the most sense when he stated that no one is qualified to be the President. It is a one of a kind job that no one can be trained to do because there is only one person doing it. Likewise, the VP position is in the same category. It truly is a job that you must learn as you go. But based on executive and gubernatorial experience, I feel that Palin does have the right stuff to take the blows that will come with the job and learn to be the best at the position, with an opportunity to be in line for the top spot in a couple of political cycles. She represents many if not most of the values that I hold dear.

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Obama probably had the full auto AK-47 in mind . . . .
Methinks my crap detector is going off on that one. Do you seriously believe he wants to allow civilian ownership of semiautomatic AKs? I think you need to be honest with yourself and admit the truth.

Methinks that every word of McCain and Obamas acceptance speeches was gone overhundreds of times by staff, so at least they thought about it.

But what do any of them REALLY think? Are you better at psychoanalyzing McCain?

Me also thinks that there is little chancethat another AWB will make it through the senate in the next 4 years, so me no worry that much.

There are so many better reasons to worry about the the power of presidents . . . .
 

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I hope that what McCain/Palin said about wanting to change government, make it smaller, change the way it does things is true.

Here's my basic wish list:

  • Yank the chain of the BATFE, get it back under control, and reduce its size and it's powers. (Strip it down to make another Waco, Ruby Ridge, or incarceration of David Olofson IMPOSSIBLE)
  • Loosen the regulations on Fully Automatic Weapons (reduce the tax, reduce the cost of the FFLlicense, and allow new weapons to be purchased and owned by citizens).
  • Remove the requirement to have a FFL and pay the tax to own sound suppressors (no more earplugs, YAY!)
  • Remove the "Gun Free School Zones Act," or simply modify it to include "when committing a violent crime".
  • Force reciprocity between states for both CC licenses and Open Carry (Congress can do so under the 2nd and 14th amendments - Just force all states to adopt "Shall Issue" licensing, and all states cannot restrict (or require a license to) Open Carryof loaded firearms.)
Yes, I know the President can't just DO most of these things. But he can advocate for them, push for them, use his influence and gain public support to try and get them done.

...Does anyone else think any of these have a chance with McCain/Palin? I know they wouldn't have any shot under Obama/Biden...
...Orygunner...
 
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Withinsay 3 weeks Ole Putin,I meant to say Palin or was it Stalin, nonetheless will self implode and the McCain / ? Ticket will be out looking for another Evangelical Nut Job out there on the fringe to appease his religious fanatics/base...

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5734511&page=1

Another objective report from the Anchorage Daily News...

http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/516641.html


Palin bitchin now about the media. She hasn't seen nothing yet...

I do agree with what the poster said above about getting rid of government like Bush has expanded on. I would from the get go get rid of Home Land Security and let the CIA & FBI actually do what there suppose to do. Also maybe put someone in charge a FEMA who actually knows what the hell they are doing...
 

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Dukester wrote:
Withinsay 3 weeks Ole Putin,I meant to say Palin or was it Stalin, nonetheless will self implode and the McCain / ? Ticket will be out looking for another Evangelical Nut Job out there on the fringe to appease his religious fanatics/base...



I've about heard enough of your belief badgering.

Does religion scare you that much, that you have to hack on it every post ?

It is painfully obvious how much of a democrat you really are, but I think it's past time you start respecting others views. There's alot of assumptions and comments that can be made about your own views as well, yet everyone else seems to be able to hold their tongue in respect. I think you should do the same, or leave.

Have a good weekend ;)
 
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Dustin wrote:
Dukester wrote:
Withinsay 3 weeks Ole Putin,I meant to say Palin or was it Stalin, nonetheless will self implode and the McCain / ? Ticket will be out looking for another Evangelical Nut Job out there on the fringe to appease his religious fanatics/base...
There's alot of assumptions and comments that can be made about your own views as well, yet everyone else seems to be able to hold their tongue in respect. I think you should do the same, or leave.

Have a good weekend ;)

Evidently you must be reading the wrong posts from the wrong Forum, I have been attacked. I have refrained from personal attacks but I have been called just about everything in the book but I just shrug it off.

I guess you might say it and should be applied to both sides of the fence.

Have a nice/safe weekend :D
 

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Evidently you must be reading the wrong posts from the wrong Forum, I have been attacked.

Well that's the grown up thing to do, lash back.

Just report them.

If you want to bash religion or debate it, I can give you several debating forums to do so, I'm just asking that it stays out of here.

I like this place b/c it tries to stay on topic, so I'm just trying to keep it that way. ;)
 

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Dukester wrote:
longwatch wrote:
Dukester wrote:


As for losing my guns, I'll take my chances. After all, Obama studied Constituional Law at Harvard so I beleive he iswell educated in the constitution therefore your guns will be safe. I mean after all 2a says it will, right?
Yes, Obama did evidently study constitutional law at Harvard. And I specifically recall Obama saying something about the 2nd amendment "granting" Americans the right to keep and bear arms (right before he said that local exigencies might be a reason to infringe a bit on those rights it "granted", all for public safety, don't you know).

I never went to Harvard, so I'm not over-educated enough to have forgotten that the Bill of Rights doesn't GRANT a damn thing! Rights are inherent and supercede any written law. If Obama can't even get this simple concept straight, I can't see how you can be so sanguine about his concern for protecting your rights. His prior public statements about guns make it abundantly clear he would abridge or usurp them all if he could.

If you really think something as mundane as energy policy trumps an issue of civil rights, you have some mightly strange priorities! This country will find a way out of the energy mess no matter who the next president is, but if we consider energy to be more important than basic rights, we'll end up with privileges" in place of rights.
 

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Dustin wrote:
Dukester wrote:
Withinsay 3 weeks Ole Putin,I meant to say Palin or was it Stalin, nonetheless will self implode and the McCain / ? Ticket will be out looking for another Evangelical Nut Job out there on the fringe to appease his religious fanatics/base...



I've about heard enough of your belief badgering.

Does religion scare you that much, that you have to hack on it every post ?

It is painfully obvious how much of a democrat you really are, but I think it's past time you start respecting others views. There's alot of assumptions and comments that can be made about your own views as well, yet everyone else seems to be able to hold their tongue in respect. I think you should do the same, or leave.

Have a good weekend ;)

Let him and the Jack Ass go...they arn't worth your time.



Again we know what we know and they just want to case problems.



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Dunky and Dumpster ain't Democrats... their Marxist/Socialists... possibly even self-styled Communists.... or just plain crackpots. There's enough of 'em... Several were featured in the Moonbat Melodies of the DNC opener. Dumpster definately has a major short between the headset... or has overloaded his/her crack pipe. Doubtful Dumpster even owns a firearm... They're not allowed in thetreatment facilitys.

Sarah Palin's the best thing's 'happend to Conservatives since the styrofoam cooler.

'Must be Troll season.
 

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
Dunky and Dumpster ain't Democrats... their Marxist/Socialists... possibly even self-styled Communists.... or just plain crackpots.. .
Sarah Palin's the best thing's 'happend to Conservatives since the styrofoam cooler.

'Must be Troll season.


The Dunkey is neither red nor pink:

And though mostly, he is gray, he isalso almost all Blue:



See:



http://www.spankthatdonkey.com/spankthatdonkey2/2006/9/4/buena-vista-virginia-opening-day-of-2006-political-season.html#comment473824




He is certainly way too fuzzy to be a crackpot.

(If you wanta study in psycho-ceramics, he commends Ms. Palin to your attention.)



 

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The Donkey wrote:
longwatch wrote:
The Donkey wrote:
Obama probably had the full auto AK-47 in mind . . . .
Methinks my crap detector is going off on that one. Do you seriously believe he wants to allow civilian ownership of semiautomatic AKs? I think you need to be honest with yourself and admit the truth.

Methinks that every word of McCain and Obamas acceptance speeches was gone overhundreds of times by staff, so at least they thought about it.

But what do any of them REALLY think? Are you better at psychoanalyzing McCain?

Me also thinks that there is little chancethat another AWB will make it through the senate in the next 4 years, so me no worry that much.

There are so many better reasons to worry about the the power of presidents . . . .
You think wrong. The chances of an AWB making it through the senate with Obama/Biden at the helm aren't that remote. The chances of him signing are about 100%. First, if it is 50/50 how do you think Biden ("I'm the guy that wrote the original AWB") would break the tie, as opposed to Palin (life member of the NRA)? Also, while I think it's possible McCain would sign it, I think it's unlikely.

Contrast that to the chances that a pro-life justice making it through the same senate. Ain't gonna happen. All the smoke that liberal are blowing, making a big deal about Palin being pro-life are just that: smoke. In the end, that little fact isn't going to change a damn thing. Roe v Wade is NEVER going to be overturned, and the liberals know it- but's not going to stop them from bashing otherwise excellent VP choice for being pro-life.
 

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The Donkey wrote:
longwatch wrote:
The Donkey wrote:
Obama probably had the full auto AK-47 in mind . . . .
Methinks my crap detector is going off on that one. Do you seriously believe he wants to allow civilian ownership of semiautomatic AKs? I think you need to be honest with yourself and admit the truth.

Methinks that every word of McCain and Obamas acceptance speeches was gone overhundreds of times by staff, so at least they thought about it.

But what do any of them REALLY think? Are you better at psychoanalyzing McCain?

Me also thinks that there is little chancethat another AWB will make it through the senate in the next 4 years, so me no worry that much.

There are so many better reasons to worry about the the power of presidents . . . .
Really? Because I think somebody who trusts me and the people with firearms beats somebody who doesn't.
 

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Slayer of Paper wrote:
The Donkey wrote:
longwatch wrote:
The Donkey wrote:
Obama probably had the full auto AK-47 in mind . . . .
Methinks my crap detector is going off on that one. Do you seriously believe he wants to allow civilian ownership of semiautomatic AKs? I think you need to be honest with yourself and admit the truth.

Methinks that every word of McCain and Obamas acceptance speeches was gone overhundreds of times by staff, so at least they thought about it.

But what do any of them REALLY think? Are you better at psychoanalyzing McCain?

Me also thinks that there is little chancethat another AWB will make it through the senate in the next 4 years, so me no worry that much.

There are so many better reasons to worry about the the power of presidents . . . .
You think wrong. The chances of an AWB making it through the senate with Obama/Biden at the helm aren't that remote. The chances of him signing are about 100%. First, if it is 50/50 how do you think Biden ("I'm the guy that wrote the original AWB") would break the tie, as opposed to Palin (life member of the NRA)? Also, while I think it's possible McCain would sign it, I think it's unlikely.

Contrast that to the chances that a pro-life justice making it through the same senate. Ain't gonna happen. All the smoke that liberal are blowing, making a big deal about Palin being pro-life are just that: smoke. In the end, that little fact isn't going to change a damn thing. Roe v Wade is NEVER going to be overturned, and the liberals know it- but's not going to stop them from bashing otherwise excellent VP choice for being pro-life.

But it isn't 50/50 on AWB: more like 44-56, and under new Senate Rules, would have to be like 60-40 for the darn thing to pass.

Close senates have approved strong conservatives repeatedly in recent years -- though IMO conservative judicial appointmentsis not the best thing for 2A right now. (as argued in more detail above).

Palin is just redundant on 2A.
 

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Dukester wrote:
As for losing my guns, I'll take my chances. After all, Obama studied Constituional Law at Harvard so I beleive he iswell educated in the constitution therefore your guns will be safe. I mean after all 2a says it will, right?
For someone so well educated on the constitution he pretty much made the exact wrong call on the DC gun ban.
http://talkstraight.org/2008/obamas-flip-on-the-dc-gun-ban/
However, he agreed during a February 11, 2008 interview that he supported the DC gun ban. At that time, he believed it was constitutional.[2] In this same interview, Obama also he said believed that the Constitution provided individual municipalities with the power to regulate Constitutionally protected rights as they saw fit.[3] Mind you, he is a Constitutional Law trained lawyer and lecturer. A few days later, while campaigning in Idaho, Obama said the following:
“The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can’t initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang bangers and random shootings on the street isn’t born out by our Constitution.”[4]
 

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The Donkey wrote:
Sonora Rebel wrote:
Dunky and Dumpster ain't Democrats... their Marxist/Socialists... possibly even self-styled Communists.... or just plain crackpots.. .
Sarah Palin's the best thing's 'happend to Conservatives since the styrofoam cooler.

'Must be Troll season.
The Dunkey is neither red nor pink:

And though mostly, he is gray, he isalso almost all Blue:



See:



http://www.spankthatdonkey.com/spankthatdonkey2/2006/9/4/buena-vista-virginia-opening-day-of-2006-political-season.html#comment473824




He is certainly way too fuzzy to be a crackpot.

(If you wanta study in psycho-ceramics, he commends Ms. Palin to your attention.)


style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8"Fuzzythink Crackpot... :uhoh:
 
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Poll: Convention lifts McCain over Obama

By Susan Page, USA TODAY WASHINGTON — The Republican National Convention has given John McCain and his party a significant boost, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken over the weekend shows, as running mate Sarah Palin helps close an "enthusiasm gap" that has dogged the GOP all year. McCain leads Democrat Barack Obama by 50%-46% among registered voters, the Republican's biggest advantage since January and a turnaround from the USA TODAY poll taken just before the convention opened in St. Paul. Then, he lagged by 7 percentage points.

CONVENTION: GOP rejuvenated The convention bounce has helped not only McCain but also attitudes toward Republican congressional candidates and the GOP in general.
"The Republicans had a very successful convention and, at least initially, the selection of Sarah Palin has made a big difference," says political scientist Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia. "He's in a far better position than his people imagined he would be in at this point."
FIND MORE STORIES IN:George W Bush | Barack Obama | John McCain | Republican National Convention | University of Virginia | Joe Biden | Sarah Palin | Larry Sabato However, in an analysis of the impact of political conventions since 1960, Sabato concluded that post-convention polls signal the election's outcome only about half the time. "You could flip a coin and be about as predictive," he says. "It is really surprising how quickly convention memories fade."
McCain has narrowed Obama's wide advantage on handling the economy, by far the electorate's top issue. Before the GOP convention, Obama was favored by 19 points; now he's favored by 3.
The Republican's ties to President Bush remains a vulnerability. In the poll, 63% say they are concerned he would pursue policies too similar to those of the current president. Bush's approval rating is 33%.
In the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote. The survey of 1,022 adults, including 959 registered voters, has a margin of error of +/— 3 points for both samples.
Among the findings:
• Before the convention, Republicans by 47%-39% were less enthusiastic than usual about voting. Now, they are more enthusiastic by 60%-24%, a sweeping change that narrows a key Democratic advantage. Democrats report being more enthusiastic by 67%-19%.
• Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, a national unknown before McCain chose her for the ticket 10 days ago, draws a strong reaction from voters on both sides. Now, 29% say she makes them more likely to vote for McCain, 21% less likely.
Obama's choice of Delaware Sen. Joe Biden as running mate made 14% more likely to vote for the Democrat, 7% less likely.
• McCain's acceptance speech Thursday received lower ratings than the one Obama gave a week earlier: 15% called McCain's speech "excellent" compared with 35% for Obama
 
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