Radio frequency ID chips

[OC for ME]

I have a fundamental dislike for any form of government mandated tracking of the citizenry. With this said the school has every right to change the ID card. It does not matter what the student was told regarding the old ID card and any conditions attached when then issued. The new card is the new card which makes the old card invalid. When she turns 18 she can then vote to remove school board members and then work the political/legislative process to remove those who implemented the RFID card program. Defund the RFID card program and the RFID cards go away.

No Congress can hold a future Congress to past legislative mandates. The Constitution has a mechanism within it to change its contents and thus no future generation is beholden to a past generations constitutional mandates.

 

[Citizen]

I have a fundamental dislike for any form of government mandated tracking of the citizenry. With this said the school has every right to change the ID card. It does not matter what the student was told regarding the old ID card and any conditions attached when then issued. The new card is the new card which makes the old card invalid. When she turns 18 she can then vote to remove school board members and then work the political/legislative process to remove those who implemented the RFID card program. Defund the RFID card program and the RFID cards go away.

No Congress can hold a future Congress to past legislative mandates. The Constitution has a mechanism within it to change its contents and thus no future generation is beholden to a past generations constitutional mandates.

Only if the school had the power to issue an ID card in the first place which I dispute. Never needed an ID card in decades past; don't need one now.

 

[OC for ME]

Only if the school had the power to issue an ID card in the first place which I dispute. Never needed an ID card in decades past; don't need one now.

I do not know what authority if any they have to issue ID cards. But, the story does contain the complaintant stating the she was told by the skrool that her old ID (w/o a RFID chip) would be valid for the entire four years of her skrooling.

 

[carolina guy]

Nice Jefferson quote. Talk about looking forward to the next generation, check out this letter from Jefferson to James Madison discussing whether one generation can bind a future generation by a perpetual constitution.

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch2s23.html

Very excellent reading...and it is easy to see how deeply Jefferson was worried about the power of government.

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Currently, we are expecting that our children and grandchildren will willingly pay the debts of our parent's and grandparent's reckless spending. Depending on the measures, we are nearly $17T, or $35T or even $80T in debt. This cannot be paid, and I hope, never will be paid. It is obscene, and the generations to come should refuse to acknowledge an obligation they did not make and is, by ALL measures, unconscionable.
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As far as RFID tracking goes...the PARENTS should be the ones that put an immediate stop to this. If the school administrators cannot keep the kids in the school once the day begins, they need to find other employment.

 

[Freedom1Man]

Very excellent reading...and it is easy to see how deeply Jefferson was worried about the power of government.

<begin OT rant>
Currently, we are expecting that our children and grandchildren will willingly pay the debts of our parent's and grandparent's reckless spending. Depending on the measures, we are nearly $17T, or $35T or even $80T in debt. This cannot be paid, and I hope, never will be paid. It is obscene, and the generations to come should refuse to acknowledge an obligation they did not make and is, by ALL measures, unconscionable.
<end OT rant>

As far as RFID tracking goes...the PARENTS should be the ones that put an immediate stop to this. If the school administrators cannot keep the kids in the school once the day begins, they need to find other employment.

You just identified the Socialist Security program and federal school funding both at the same time. :lol:

 

[Contrarian]

RFID tags

I was concerned about this before the Boss and I went to Europe a month ago - lots of stories about scanning your credit cards,etc from two feet away...

So I bought a stainless steel wallet, like these:

http://www.amazon.com/ComputerGear-Stainless-Steel-Wallet/dp/B002OSQIKM

Mine was $20.00 as I recall.

 

[carolina guy]

I was concerned about this before the Boss and I went to Europe a month ago - lots of stories about scanning your credit cards,etc from two feet away...

So I bought a stainless steel wallet, like these:

http://www.amazon.com/ComputerGear-Stainless-Steel-Wallet/dp/B002OSQIKM

Mine was $20.00 as I recall.

(*Thumbs up*) got one too.

 

[carolina guy]

You just identified the Socialist Security program and federal school funding both at the same time. :lol:

All made possible by the Fed Reserve...

 

[Freedom1Man]

All made possible by the Fed Reserve...

Well FDR did want that socialist security program bad enough that it is still only enacted only under treaty with socialist nations.

So to make us both happier why don't we end the Federal Reserve and the socialist security program at the same time?

Let start by not using FRNs and getting rid of SSNs. I've done the second part and I do more barter than sale now.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Well FDR did want that socialist security program bad enough that it is still only enacted only under treaty with socialist nations.

So to make us both happier why don't we end the Federal Reserve and the socialist security program at the same time?

Let start by not using FRNs and getting rid of SSNs. I've done the second part and I do more barter than sale now.

How do you plan to not use FRNs? I mean I suppose you can spent lots of time and effort tracking down the old US Notes (the ones with red serials and treasury stamps, They're still legal tender in the US but most people who have some keep them in collections, like me I own a pair of $2 USNs.) and use those, but they'll be turned into the FR system and destroyed once a bank recieves them.

I don't see how checks or credit card is better anyway, since it's the exact same money being used. the FRS determines the money supply, and the FRNs are just a visual expression of a part of that supply, check and card are out of the exact same pool as the FRNs and the government probably would prefer you not use cash anyway since it can't be tracked. same with coinage, sure it's minted by the US governent but they're just representative of the money supply created by the fed anyway. so I don't see how your Idea of not using FRNs is getting you anywhere.

and I'm sure you can't barter for everything here.

 

[sharkey]

Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/11/student-suspension/

 

[Logan 5]

And no matter what, schools are still doing the tracking. Sue sue sue, they don't care. But.... break a few legs, rearrange their dental work, after a few months they'll get the idea- don't mess with our kids.

 

[Freedom1Man]

A microwave oven should fix those chips rather quickly.

 

[Grapeshot]

--snip-- break a few legs, rearrange their dental work, after a few months they'll get the idea- don't mess with our kids.

Absolutely not.

(15) WE ADVOCATE FOR THE 'LAW-ABIDING' ONLY: Posts advocating illegal acts of any kind are NOT welcome here. Even if you feel that a law is unconstitutional we do not break it, we repeal it or defeat it in the courts.

 

[Logan 5]

Absolutely not.

(15) WE ADVOCATE FOR THE 'LAW-ABIDING' ONLY: Posts advocating illegal acts of any kind are NOT welcome here. Even if you feel that a law is unconstitutional we do not break it, we repeal it or defeat it in the courts.

You say it's illegal. Ok. Point taken. Grape, back during WW2 it was legal to rape and murder jews when they escaped from the prison camps.
I suppose when they are merely tracking your daughter, well, that's not serious. I suppose it isn't. But the more you give in the more they will infringe. You let them track you and next it'll be more serious. Case in point- TSA and cavity searches. Yes, TSA is now considering doing cavity searches before you can fly. Yo, stick your hand or any foreign object up my ass and....

I understand what you're saying Grape. I'll chill.
I must confess to a certain amount of dislike for settling it in the courts, because unless you have the tens of thousands of dollars to hire lawyer, what can you do? Sue them yourself?

 

[eye95]

So, schools tracking kids is somehow equated with rape and murder, therefore justifying violence that involves breaking bones and teeth???

Your logic escapes me.

Trust me, I will resort to violence to stop violence against my kids. I won't resort to violence to fight RFIDing. That would be wrong, is illegal, and is against the rules here to advocate.

No amount of indignation makes the logic of your above equation work.

 

[Logan 5]

Not exactly, eye. I'm talking, in general (as I should have pointed out) about how the schools are using our kids as "pawns". The best way to get people used to new methods and behaviors is teach them when they're young. I think it's wrong to involve kids in this. It's not us, not me, but the schools. We trust them with our kids. They betray that trust when they pull crap like this tracking issue.

If they wanna track my kids, I'll find another school. But anything more and there's gonna be trouble.

 

[carolina guy]

Not exactly, eye. I'm talking, in general (as I should have pointed out) about how the schools are using our kids as "pawns". The best way to get people used to new methods and behaviors is teach them when they're young. I think it's wrong to involve kids in this. It's not us, not me, but the schools. We trust them with our kids. They betray that trust when they pull crap like this tracking issue.

If they wanna track my kids, I'll find another school. But anything more and there's gonna be trouble.

Or just opt-out entirely. Non-violent, completely legal, deprives them of the funding they were searching for, and protects the kids from the indoctrination offered by the government schools.

 

[Grapeshot]

Here comes the new technology - chips the size of a grain of sand that could be placed/embedded anywhere, even in school books carried by students. You can run, but you can't hide type of thing.

http://email.wnd.com/HM?a=ENX7CqoMqZqZ8SA9MKJVIXTnGHxKLt7yVfcStGb5lw8W0bBhOG5mpqVsje_Hhe-ud1Kg

 

[eye95]

Not exactly, eye. I'm talking, in general (as I should have pointed out) about how the schools are using our kids as "pawns". The best way to get people used to new methods and behaviors is teach them when they're young. I think it's wrong to involve kids in this. It's not us, not me, but the schools. We trust them with our kids. They betray that trust when they pull crap like this tracking issue.

If they wanna track my kids, I'll find another school. But anything more and there's gonna be trouble.

I agree with that. I do not agree with breaking bones or rearranging dental work to fix this.

BTW, the solution is entirely in parents' hands. Don't send your kids to public school. Advocate for vouchers. Don't advocate violence. And, especially, don't do it here.