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So I had always heard Serpa's were good...
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tom357
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ufcfanvt wrote:
Good advice with any holster. There is a reason why there are so many makes and models on the market. Some people work better with one design than another.
I disagree with your statement about the SERPA making you put pressure on the trigger-guard area; it makes it sound like you've never used one. The portion of the Autolock mechanism that is located over the trigger guard area is the latch itself. The finger release portion of the Autolock mechanism is located well up on the frame, in line with the bottom of the slide. See the area circled in yellow in the attached photo.
ufcfanvt wrote:
Good advice with any holster. There is a reason why there are so many makes and models on the market. Some people work better with one design than another.
I disagree with your statement about the SERPA making you put pressure on the trigger-guard area; it makes it sound like you've never used one. The portion of the Autolock mechanism that is located over the trigger guard area is the latch itself. The finger release portion of the Autolock mechanism is located well up on the frame, in line with the bottom of the slide. See the area circled in yellow in the attached photo.
ProShooter
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Nice research Tom.
I saw a video one time about Serpa holsters that could be spun, thereby breaking away from the paddle. I believe that they were early holsters and the issue was corrected. I havent heard anything really bad about them. I tried one, tested it on the range and didnt like it. Everyone has to form their own opinion.
Nice research Tom.
I saw a video one time about Serpa holsters that could be spun, thereby breaking away from the paddle. I believe that they were early holsters and the issue was corrected. I havent heard anything really bad about them. I tried one, tested it on the range and didnt like it. Everyone has to form their own opinion.
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ProShooter wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rv49aDzdgc
SERPA holsters seem very secure and rugged in their design, not to mention they're supposed to be made of a carbon fiber composite inside for extra strength. I hear some people have problems with the screws coming loose but I've never had that problem with any of mine.
ProShooter wrote:
Are you sure you aren't thinking of early Fobus holsters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rv49aDzdgc
SERPA holsters seem very secure and rugged in their design, not to mention they're supposed to be made of a carbon fiber composite inside for extra strength. I hear some people have problems with the screws coming loose but I've never had that problem with any of mine.
ProShooter
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nova wrote:
You may be correct. I'm not entirely sure.
nova wrote:
You may be correct. I'm not entirely sure.
ProShooter
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Interesting thread on AR-15 HTF that talks about some of this -
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=24&t=363755
Interesting thread on AR-15 HTF that talks about some of this -
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=24&t=363755
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ProShooter wrote:
Try a Serpa yourself and see how very difficult it is to replicate the so called problem. One must draw very, very slowly and quickly & intentionally put one's finger on the trigger to stage this operator induced error.
I've often wondered if this bad press wasn't intoduced by a competitor of Blackhawk/Serpa.
Yata hey
ProShooter wrote:
Same disinformation being posted there with the disclaimer that it has not happened "in John's class."
Try a Serpa yourself and see how very difficult it is to replicate the so called problem. One must draw very, very slowly and quickly & intentionally put one's finger on the trigger to stage this operator induced error.
I've often wondered if this bad press wasn't intoduced by a competitor of Blackhawk/Serpa.
Yata hey
ProShooter
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Grapeshot wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
I just thought it was interestingthat a similar thread started there that referenced the same stories...
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Grapeshot wrote:
When asked how many he had mic'ed with that problem, he admits he has never seen one but has heard stories....:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Grapeshot wrote:
I know at one well known and very good, custom pistolsmith, that firmly believes shooting jaketed bullets after shooting cast, bulges barrels.ProShooter wrote:Like the internet isn't infamous for repeating inaccurate information sooo often that it becomes accepted as gospel.
Not criticizing you, you are only the messenger.
Yata hey
When asked how many he had mic'ed with that problem, he admits he has never seen one but has heard stories....:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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peter nap wrote:
peter nap wrote:
I've done that before...I shot some of my lead .38 reloads, followed by a few full power 158gr JSP .357mag loads...my gun's just fine, no bulged barrel. I probably wouldn't want to make a habbit of it since I've heard the same stories though.Grapeshot wrote:I know at one well known and very good, custom pistolsmith, that firmly believes shooting jaketed bullets after shooting cast, bulges barrels.ProShooter wrote:Like the internet isn't infamous for repeating inaccurate information sooo often that it becomes accepted as gospel.
Not criticizing you, you are only the messenger.
Yata hey
When asked how many he had mic'ed with that problem, he admits he has never seen one but has heard stories....:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Marco
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nova wrote: snip
http://www.laser-cast.com/AboutLaserCast.html
even at 1300fps there is little to no leading.
nova wrote: snip
try these:
http://www.laser-cast.com/AboutLaserCast.html
even at 1300fps there is little to no leading.
ufcfanvt
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tom357 wrote:
Stop attacking people who express opposing views. Just try it yourself, under stress and then proceed as you see fit.
OR eat your Cheetos on the couch, peel yourself off once every month and "test out" your cool holster at the climate-controlled range where you can barely move and there's no stress involved.
You pick.
tom357 wrote:
That IS the trigger-guard area. You do have to put pressure there. That's the problem. IF you only touched that small part, there's no issue, under STRESS your finger can easily slip down. I've seen it happen.
Stop attacking people who express opposing views. Just try it yourself, under stress and then proceed as you see fit.
OR eat your Cheetos on the couch, peel yourself off once every month and "test out" your cool holster at the climate-controlled range where you can barely move and there's no stress involved.
You pick.
cREbralFIX
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If you're referring to my story, I am not parroting anything I saw on the Internet. A pebble did fall into my SERPA holster's locking mechanism while in a gun class at Quantico. It worked fine up until the groundwork section of the course. I had a SA 1911 Loaded with one in the chamber that I could not remove from the holster. The pebble was bean shaped and approximately 1/8" in size. Fortunately, I had some toothpicks in my cleaning kit, so I was able to remove it.
However, in inspecting Grapeshot's holster, while I may be misremembering, it appears they closed up the design a bit. It's probably resistant to that particular problem. If I were handed a SERPA, I would do some testing prior to carry.
Either way, I DO have a problem with using the index finger for something other than working the trigger. Yes...it's probably safe with training just like any other holster. But, when things start to fall apart, I don't feel comfortable with them around.
It's the same with those little adjustor thingies that you see on the bottom edges of jackets nowadays. I was at a different fun class and WATCHED a guy stuff his gun into his holster. Unfortunately, that plastic adjustor thingie got tied up in the trigger guard. When he gave a final push....BANG! He shot a nice hole in his pants into the dirt two feet behind him. Now I cut those off every jacket I own.
Incidents like that make me really think about holsters and holster design.
If you're referring to my story, I am not parroting anything I saw on the Internet. A pebble did fall into my SERPA holster's locking mechanism while in a gun class at Quantico. It worked fine up until the groundwork section of the course. I had a SA 1911 Loaded with one in the chamber that I could not remove from the holster. The pebble was bean shaped and approximately 1/8" in size. Fortunately, I had some toothpicks in my cleaning kit, so I was able to remove it.
However, in inspecting Grapeshot's holster, while I may be misremembering, it appears they closed up the design a bit. It's probably resistant to that particular problem. If I were handed a SERPA, I would do some testing prior to carry.
Either way, I DO have a problem with using the index finger for something other than working the trigger. Yes...it's probably safe with training just like any other holster. But, when things start to fall apart, I don't feel comfortable with them around.
It's the same with those little adjustor thingies that you see on the bottom edges of jackets nowadays. I was at a different fun class and WATCHED a guy stuff his gun into his holster. Unfortunately, that plastic adjustor thingie got tied up in the trigger guard. When he gave a final push....BANG! He shot a nice hole in his pants into the dirt two feet behind him. Now I cut those off every jacket I own.
Incidents like that make me really think about holsters and holster design.
cREbralFIX
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+1000gazillion on Laser-Cast bullets! I shot about 2k through my SIG 220 prior to switching to FMJ. Leading was minimal...and I could have eliminated it with a few adjustments to the powder charge. Their sales staff was extremely helpful to me (this was around 1997 when I was a new reloader).
+1000gazillion on Laser-Cast bullets! I shot about 2k through my SIG 220 prior to switching to FMJ. Leading was minimal...and I could have eliminated it with a few adjustments to the powder charge. Their sales staff was extremely helpful to me (this was around 1997 when I was a new reloader).