The Reciprocity Restoration Deal

[wrearick]

2. That within 60 days of the effective date of this act, the Attorney General shall enter into agreements for reciprocal recognition of concealed handgun permits or licenses with states where such agreements were in existence as of December 1, 2015, as required by the provisions of this act; otherwise the provisions of this act shall not become effective.


I may be reading the clause wrong but doesn't the highlighted portion change the intent from honoring concealed hand gun permits or licenses from all states that issue them to having to honor only those we honored as of December 1, 2015? The new clause would not require us to enter into an agreement with Georgia and others were we did not previously have an agreement.

 

[grylnsmn]

2. That within 60 days of the effective date of this act, the Attorney General shall enter into agreements for reciprocal recognition of concealed handgun permits or licenses with states where such agreements were in existence as of December 1, 2015, as required by the provisions of this act; otherwise the provisions of this act shall not become effective.


I may be reading the clause wrong but doesn't the highlighted portion change the intent from honoring concealed hand gun permits or licenses from all states that issue them to having to honor only those we honored as of December 1, 2015? The new clause would not require us to enter into an agreement with Georgia and others were we did not previously have an agreement.

That doesn't change anything about what states Virginia will honor. That is covered earlier in the bill, in section 1(A).

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?161+ful+SB610S3

Herring wouldn't have to enter into new agreements beyond those states recognized on December 1, 2015, but Virginia would recognize all other states by statute (instead of by agreement) regardless of whether they recognize Virginia.

 

[wrearick]

okay, thanks, Glad I WAS reading it wrong!

 

[Grapeshot]

That doesn't change anything about what states Virginia will honor. That is covered earlier in the bill, in section 1(A).

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?161+ful+SB610S3

Herring wouldn't have to enter into new agreements beyond those states recognized on December 1, 2015, but Virginia would recognize all other states by statute (instead of by agreement) regardless of whether they recognize Virginia.

Enter stage left McAwful and his veto pen.

Would you buy a car from this man or trust your life to him?

 

[Repeater]

Eye-Opening Backstory

This seems ugly. What would Trump think of McAwful's deal-making prowess?

Analysis: McAuliffe finally makes a deal — but friends say it’s not a good one

“This is a guy who loves a good deal,” said Bob Holsworth, a former Virginia Commonwealth University political scientist. “And the political reality of his term has compelled him to do more things sort of administratively or by fiat than is actually his natural tendency.

“But the challenge of the dealmaker is that they sometimes love the deal more than the purity of the process. I think this is what happened here: He kind of saw a better bargain and decided to take it, even while leaving out some of the people that he had been most closely connected to.”

...

But the deal, which the attorney general played no role in crafting, not only restores reciprocity to those 25 states, but also extends it to every state except Vermont, which does not have a permitting process.

“He’s doing this because he truly believes it’s the right thing to do,” said McAuliffe spokesman Brian Coy. “We’re taking political heat for it, obviously. But this entire gun-safety agenda is about what steps will save the most lives and keep communities the safest. And on that criteria, this deal was a no-brainer.”

Check out the oyster-dinner revelation.

 

[taurusfan]

You look at the VA State Police website: http://www.vsp.state.va.us/ they are still talking about the reciprocity revocation.

WHO (McAuliff? Herring?) delayed the implementation 'til March 1st? There was never anything in the press about this?

 

[TFred]

You look at the VA State Police website: http://www.vsp.state.va.us/ they are still talking about the reciprocity revocation.

WHO (McAuliff? Herring?) delayed the implementation 'til March 1st? There was never anything in the press about this?

They are making things up as they go along these days.

The VSP website reflects the March 1st "extension." But nobody that I know of has talked about what happens after March 1st, nor has anyone mentioned whether or not these bills will enact an "emergency clause."

If neither an emergency clause is enacted, nor another "extension" by the banana republic dictators, the 25 states will revert to no reciprocity until July 1st, assuming the Governor signs the bills, and AG Herring restores the agreements.

TFred

 

[taurusfan]

"Just as surprising has been how bitterly and personally McAuliffe and Everytown have turned on each other."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...f0e3e6-cf16-11e5-b2bc-988409ee911b_story.html

Bloomberg has taken out a full page ad in the Times Dispatch!

 

[blahpony]

"Excuse me sir, I would like to return this politician I bought. He isn't doing what he promised."

 

[Grapeshot]

"Just as surprising has been how bitterly and personally McAuliffe and Everytown have turned on each other."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...f0e3e6-cf16-11e5-b2bc-988409ee911b_story.html

Bloomberg has taken out a full page ad in the Times Dispatch!

It is good to see them eating their own AND setting up their own defeat in the process.

The public just isn't buying what they are selling any more. Expect some major pro changes in the Virginia executive and legislative branches.

 

[TFred]

You really can't make this stuff up!!

Wow. Suddenly "TRUTH" seems to matter! Who'da thunk?

This is worth reading:

Anti-gun group blasts McAuliffe in full-page newspaper ad

"The gun-control group Everytown for Gun Safety took out a full-page newspaper ad Tuesday that casts doubt on a number of statements made by Gov. Terry McAuliffe to justify his recent firearms compromise with Republican legislators.

The ad by the group, backed by former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg, lists several quotes by the governor touting the deal’s safety improvements and labels each statement “false.” The governor’s office on Tuesday called the ad “misleading” and said McAuliffe stands by the deal, “even in the face of Mr. Bloomberg’s negative politics.”"​

TFred

 

[taurusfan]

Grapeshot said, "It is good to see them eating their own AND setting up their own defeat in the process."

Serendipity !

Bloomberg ought to mind his own business and stay out of Virginia it's not New York City here!

 

[Grapeshot]

Grapeshot said, "It is good to see them eating their own AND setting up their own defeat in the process."

Serendipity !

Bloomberg ought to mind his own business and stay out of Virginia it's not New York City here!

I'm starting to like (tongue-in-cheek) Blommie - he makes our goals so much more easily obtained.

 

[solus]

Grape, et al., he is contemplating making an independent run for the white house...and those who own firearms are the majority of the voters...hummmm

ipse

 

[Repeater]

Major developments on the House Floor Today

Webert's bill was thrown out and a Floor Substitute was adopted, then passed. It is VERY different.

The Attorney General shall provide the Superintendent with any legal assistance or advice necessary for the Superintendent to perform his duties set forth in this subsection. If the Superintendent determines that another state requires that an agreement for reciprocal recognition be executed by the Attorney General or otherwise formally approved by the Attorney General as a condition of such other state's entering into an agreement for reciprocal recognition, the Attorney General shall (a) execute such agreement or otherwise formally approve such agreement and (b) return to the Superintendent the executed agreement or, in a form deemed acceptable by such other state, documentation of his formal approval of such agreement within 30 days after the Superintendent notifies the Attorney General, in writing, that he is required to execute or otherwise formally approve such agreement.

And the NEW Enactment Clause:

2. That within 60 days of the effective date of this act, the Superintendent of State Police shall enter into agreements for reciprocal recognition of concealed handgun permits or licenses with states where such agreements were in existence as of December 1, 2015, as required by the provisions of this act.

 

[jmelvin]

Interesting change. I wonder if this was intended to help ensure that the changes are made, because funding to the State Police agency is controlled by the legislature?

 

[TFred]

It sounds to me like someone figured out that the Attorney General wants this deal to fall through already, and handing him the controls to ensure that it works is simply foolish.

TFred

 

[Repeater]

VSSA has background

It sounds to me like someone figured out that the Attorney General wants this deal to fall through already, and handing him the controls to ensure that it works is simply foolish.

TFred

This explains a few things:

Webert's HB1163 Greatly Improves Reciprocity Agreement Overturning Herring Action

Last Friday, VSSA posted on Twitter that the legislative team had serious concerns about changes to the bills (SB610 and HB 1163) that are the vehicles for overturning Attorney General Herring's unilateral action on recognition of out of state permits.

The specific language stated:

That within 60 days of the effective date of this act, the Attorney General shall enter into agreements for reciprocal recognition of concealed handgun permits or licenses with states where such agreements were in existence as of December 1, 2015, as required by the provisions of this act; otherwise the provisions of this act shall not become effective.

Also on Friday, HB1163 was amended in committee to mirror SB610 with the bad changes at the end of the bill. The VSSA legislative team went to work on Friday working with patrons and alerting friends to the problems in Friday's changes. This work continued into Monday.

Today, a floor substitute to HB1163 was offered by the patron and was agreed to on the floor and engrossed setting up final passage tomorrow. The floor substitute removes the enactment clause that was added on Friday and makes the State Police the entity to enter into reciprocity/recognition agreements and the Attorney General will only be involved if another state requires the signature of that office on the agreement.

 

[TFred]

Sounds like a much better idea to require your employees to do something under the force of law, rather than try to make a political hack do something that they will see as a move against their ideology. When Herring scuttles the deal what's going to happen? Some court will rule that nobody has standing to force him to actually obey the law, and we'll be right back to where we were a month ago.

TFred

 

[Thundar]

Sounds like a much better idea to require your employees to do something under the force of law, rather than try to make a political hack do something that they will see as a move against their ideology. When Herring scuttles the deal what's going to happen? Some court will rule that nobody has standing to force him to actually obey the law, and we'll be right back to where we were a month ago.

TFred

I sure hope you are right TFred. GOA is right, this deal stinks and the sooner it dies, the better!