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Third officer shot in four days in the City of Brotherly Love

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imperialism2024 wrote:
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Police released a photo of the officer who was shot:

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Unless this is just part of a coverup for something else. Either way... :shock:


The "coverup" continues...:uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:







The search for a killer continues
By Andrew Maykuth and Barbara Boyer

INQUIRER STAFF WRITERS


As the intense hunt for the killer of Officer Chuck Cassidy stretched through a third day today, Police Commissioner Sylvester M. Johnson said he was "very optimistic" that investigators were closing in on a target.

"I'm just very confident we'll have the person in custody," Johnson said, conveying an upbeat tone for the first time since Cassidy was mortally wounded Wednesday.

By nightfall, with exhausted detectives heading home for breaks from their 18-hour shifts, Johnson was less sanguine about quick results: "Things that look promising don't always pan out," he said.

Today was an emotional roller-coaster of a day in the massive manhunt for the tattooed suspect who shot Cassidy in the head after the 25-year veteran interrupted an armed robbery at the Dunkin' Donuts at 6620 N. Broad St.

At a interdenominational prayer service at City Hall, Mayor Street said the city was under "psychological, emotional and spiritual" stress - Cassidy was the third officer shot this week.

At a police promotions ceremony at Temple University, the celebration took on a somber tone as officers expressed a desire to get back on the streets to hunt down Cassidy's killer.

And in the West Oak Lane neighborhood where Cassidy was gunned down, the frenzied activities by police the two previous days was replaced by a subdued calm. The only difference from the usual was four TV news vans parked outside the Dunkin' Donuts where the officer was shot.

Cassidy, 54, died Thursday at Albert Einstein Medical Center. Today, his body was carried in a hearse escorted by dozens of police vehicles to a funeral home in Northeast Philadelphia, where he lived with his wife and three children. The motorcade, accompanied by a police helicopter, shut down traffic on I-95.

Funeral arrangements were incomplete.

Investigators have been pursuing numerous leads that poured in throughout the day after officials posted a $115,000 reward Thursday for Cassidy's killer.

Johnson said investigators have conducted an "enormous" number of interviews. Homicide detectives moved into a special command room on the third floor of Police Headquarters to coordinate the investigation. They were assisted by officers from federal law enforcement agencies.

The suspect is described as a heavy-set black man with a hitched gait and a spider tattoo on his left hand. He took the officer's pistol after shooting him.

"We have a family that needs a lot of prayer," Street told a crowd gathered for the morning prayer vigil in a second-floor reception room. "We have a police commissioner that needs to be comforted and supported."

Six religious leaders spoke at the ceremony, which was broadcast on television and on a large screen in Dilworth Plaza to an audience of several hundred.

"One of our charges is to build positive human relations in the city," said the Rev. James S. Allen, chairman of the Commission on Human Relations, which organized the vigil. "We gather here today at a time when it seems that concept has been shattered to some degree."

Johnson did not attend the prayer service; he was at a scheduled police promotion ceremony for 178 captains, lieutenants and sergeants at Temple University. The mayor left the prayer service early to attend the promotion ceremony.

Cassidy's slaying added a gloomy note to the ceremony.

"I think it's fair to say that all of you sitting in front of me right now would rather be anyplace else but here," District Attorney Lynne Abraham said to the officers.

"And the 'anyplace else but here' means out on the street, looking for the killer or killers of Charles Cassidy," she said.

Cassidy's death served to emphasize the importance of the officers' new supervisory responsibilities.

"It doesn't matter if you have a year or 25 years, you may lose your life," said newly promoted Lt. John O'Hanlon, 44, a 23-year veteran of the force. "That's what I'm going to stress to my officers."

Street, speaking to the promotees, pledged every available resource to help "catch and punish the perpetrator of this violence on a member of our family."

He added, "If it means that we have to authorize unlimited overtime for as many people as we can, we are going to catch him."

The measured formality of the ceremonies stood in contrast with the determined intensity of the investigation.

U.S. Attorney Patrick L. Meehan, the top federal prosecutor in the region, visited Police Headquarters to pledge cooperation.

"Everybody's committed to finding the guy who did this and holding him accountable," Meehan said.

The FBI Academy in Quantico, Va., is enhancing a surveillance video of Cassidy's slaying to develop a better image of the killer. Three specialists took measurements of objects inside the Dunkin' Donuts yesterday to help them with the enhancements, FBI spokeswoman Jerri Williams said.

Agents from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives have also joined in the investigation.

Cassidy's slaying also became a campaign issue.

Michael Nutter, the favorite in Tuesday's mayoral election, held a lunchtime get-out-the-vote rally at JFK Plaza during which he implored citizens to stand up to crime, as Cassidy had.

"This is supposed to be the City of Brotherly Love and Sisterly Affection," Nutter said. "We need to start acting like it."

Nutter noted that Cassidy had drawn his gun and gone into the Dunkin' Donuts after a witness told him "something" was happening in the shop.

"He went in that place, he had no chance," said Nutter. "He had no chance. He was doing his job because he cared about this city. He didn't go the other way. When will we show that same courage?

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home_top_left_story/20071102_ATF__DEA_join_manhunt.html
 

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:banghead:

I wonder when the posse, er, Philadelphia paramilitary, er, police department is going to start kicking down doors in Catasauqua as they "close in" on a scapegoat, er, target, er, suspect.

I feel sorry for the poor black man who is chosen as the suspect when the PP can't find the actual suspect.
 

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imperialism2024 wrote:
:banghead:

I wonder when the posse, er, Philadelphia paramilitary, er, police department is going to start kicking down doors in Catasauqua as they "close in" on a scapegoat, er, target, er, suspect.

I feel sorry for the poor black man who is chosen as the suspect when the PP can't find the actual suspect.
What do you think will happen to him? What's your theory?
 

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HankT wrote:
imperialism2024 wrote:
:banghead:

I wonder when the posse, er, Philadelphia paramilitary, er, police department is going to start kicking down doors in Catasauqua as they "close in" on a scapegoat, er, target, er, suspect.

I feel sorry for the poor black man who is chosen as the suspect when the PP can't find the actual suspect.
What do you think will happen to him? What's your theory?
Naturally, he will be treated humanely in prison, and will be given a fair and speedy trial with skilled and effective public defenders presenting pure and uncontaminated evidence, allowing an impartial jury to decide whether or not he is guilty. Right? :uhoh:
 

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imperialism2024 wrote:
HankT wrote:
imperialism2024 wrote:
:banghead:

I wonder when the posse, er, Philadelphia paramilitary, er, police department is going to start kicking down doors in Catasauqua as they "close in" on a scapegoat, er, target, er, suspect.

I feel sorry for the poor black man who is chosen as the suspect when the PP can't find the actual suspect.
What do you think will happen to him? What's your theory?
Naturally, he will be treated humanely in prison, and will be given a fair and speedy trial with skilled and effective public defenders presenting pure and uncontaminated evidence, allowing an impartial jury to decide whether or not he is guilty. Right? :uhoh:

They already found one guy who matched the description. They let him go, then picked him up again. Think they might go back and get him again?
 

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HankT wrote:
At a police promotions ceremony at Temple University, the celebration took on a somber tone as officers expressed a desire to get back on the streets to hunt down Cassidy's killer.

Cassidy, 54, died Thursday at Albert Einstein Medical Center. Today, his body was carried in a hearse escorted by dozens of police vehicles to a funeral home in Northeast Philadelphia, where he lived with his wife and three children. The motorcade, accompanied by a police helicopter, shut down traffic on I-95.

Investigators have been pursuing numerous leads that poured in throughout the day after officials posted a $115,000 reward Thursday for Cassidy's killer.
So, despite working the detectives overtime, they still stopped to have a promotions ceremony? And then they have a huge parade - with a helecopter escort - shutting down interstate traffic to move the deceased?

I wonder how much of a reward they could offer if they avoided these frivolous misuses of taxpayers dollars...

Makes me sick how the 'respect for the dead' is actually taking resources away from administering justice in the officer's shooting, not to mention the lack of attention other crimes that surely are occurring while the resources are spread thin.
 

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imperialism2024 wrote:
Naturally, he will be treated humanely in prison, and will be given a fair and speedy trial with skilled and effective public defenders presenting pure and uncontaminated evidence, allowing an impartial jury to decide whether or not he is guilty. Right? :uhoh:
+1

Thanks for the best laugh I've had all week.
 

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Yes there is the valid theory that the police stop looking for the killer once they have found somebody they can convict. Irrespective of whether the person they found is the actual killer. That almost certainly happens a lot more than the criminal justice system cares to admit.

It's much easier to get on the list of people who can be convicted if you are in one of the following catagories.

1) Poor

2) Mentally retarded

3) Prior History

Notice that I left guilty off of the list.

It is agiven that somebody will be convicted for this murder, just not necessarily the guilty party.

As for the person who does get convicted actually being the killer, their are some factors that increase the chances of a correct conviction and some factors that would decrease the chances.

This particular case is going to have a major spotlight on it. It may be harder to convict an innocent person for this one because a decent defense lawyer may be willing to take this case pro-bono because of the publicity.

Also, with all of the resources the police are throwing at this one, it is one of their own after all,they may be willing to dig a little deeper to actually find the guilty party.

So those factors would increase the chances that the convicted person is the actual killer.

On the other hand, if they can't locate the actual killer, the pressure to convict somebody... anybody will be huge, so they will have to find somebody. So that pressure will decrease the chances of the actual killer being convicted.

One thing that absolutley can be counted on is that any potential jurors with even half a brain won't make the final cut.
 

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CA_Libertarian wrote:
imperialism2024 wrote:
Naturally, he will be treated humanely in prison, and will be given a fair and speedy trial with skilled and effective public defenders presenting pure and uncontaminated evidence, allowing an impartial jury to decide whether or not he is guilty. Right? :uhoh:
+1

Thanks for the best laugh I've had all week.

Ain't funny...

-ljp
 

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BarryKirk wrote:
Yes there is the valid theory that the police stop looking for the killer once they have found somebody they can convict. Irrespective of whether the person they found is the actual killer. That almost certainly happens a lot more than the criminal justice system cares to admit.

It's much easier to get on the list of people who can be convicted if you are in one of the following catagories.

1) Poor

2) Mentally retarded

3) Prior History

Notice that I left guilty off of the list.

It is agiven that somebody will be convicted for this murder, just not necessarily the guilty party.

As for the person who does get convicted actually being the killer, their are some factors that increase the chances of a correct conviction and some factors that would decrease the chances.

This particular case is going to have a major spotlight on it. It may be harder to convict an innocent person for this one because a decent defense lawyer may be willing to take this case pro-bono because of the publicity.

Also, with all of the resources the police are throwing at this one, it is one of their own after all,they may be willing to dig a little deeper to actually find the guilty party.

So those factors would increase the chances that the convicted person is the actual killer.

On the other hand, if they can't locate the actual killer, the pressure to convict somebody... anybody will be huge, so they will have to find somebody. So that pressure will decrease the chances of the actual killer being convicted.

One thing that absolutley can be counted on is that any potential jurors with even half a brain won't make the final cut.
+1

Thank you for writing what I didn't have the willpower to write last night...
 

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It is really quite sad that a human being lost his life for no reason.

However my firstquetion to the whole scenario is; Why didn't anybody else in the store have a gun? Wasit the postition of the employer to disarm his employees/patrons?
 

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WhiteFeather wrote:
However my firstquetion to the whole scenario is; Why didn't anybody else in the store have a gun? Wasit the postition of the employer to disarm his employees/patrons?

Hmmm, interesting point. Perhaps we should begin talking about boycotting all Dunkin' Donuts stores. There are over 5,000 of these death traps worldwide. Just do a Google News search on Dunkin Donuts and shooting and you will get dozens of hits. None of the stories involve a law-abiding gun carrier stopping an armed robbery or armed assault. Not one of them...

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My understanding is that most commercial chains have disarmament policies for employees, even the ones that don't want to offendpotential customers in RTC states. Kinda screwy logic if you ask me though.
 

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Rather than boycott I think we should step up "patrols":p (Please read sarcasam.) And patronize them more often to make it a safe enviroment for all...:celebrate
 

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WhiteFeather wrote:
Rather than boycott I think we should step up "patrols":p (Please read sarcasam.)
Sarcasm aside, isn't that pretty much what the PHILAPA police chief was proposing to do, albeit with unarmed neighorhood watch types rather than guys like you?
 

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Actually, Dunkin Donuts, does have an interesting security strategy. Yes, they disarm their employees. I can't think of too many retail chains that allow their employess to be armed.

However, Dunkin Donuts provides free coffee and donuts to cops. Elitist? Maybe? But the theory is that they are frequented by cops making it more dangerous to rob.

I'm not agreeing with DD strategy of disarming their employees. It's morally wrong and gets people killed, but they have one of the best alternative security strategies of any retail chain.
 

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My understanding is that most commercial chains have disarmament policies for employees, even the ones that don't want to offendpotential customers in RTC states. Kinda screwy logic if you ask me though.

You're correct, of course, that most chains prohibit armedemployees.

But if you were the store operations manager or theguypaying the corporate liability insurance bill....you'd probably think differently. You'd have other problems that are morepressing (i.e. recall of glowsticks) than having to worry about which goofy employee with an IQ of 90 has today shot up a robber in the back, a customer in the way, or some fellow employee he's got a beef with.... ;)

It's not rocket science. Liability laws being what they are in thiscountry, any manager or executive who would approve or even propose that employees in, say, 5000 Dunkin' Donut stores, be armed would (and should) be fired immediately. It would be that irrational of an idea...
 

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Here's an exampleof what I meant in theprior post about a goofy employee deciding to shoot some dman robber--inappropriately.

I'm sure the top managers at Baskin-Robbins have ordered a few cases of Mylanta and Rolaids. They're gonna be gobbling that stuff up in handfuls by the time this case is over for them...

Sounds like the kid emptied his magazine into the perp. Is that deserving of a criminal charge and a civil suit for big bucks? We'll find out at least half of that later today... Maybe it'll be a twofer.

I'll stick my neck out and predict that clerk will get indicted. He just fired too dmanmuch. But it's up to the grand jury. Whatever they say goes.


Virginia News

Grand jury deliberates on Baskin-Robbins shooting
By Nicole Bell, NBC12 News

Justified or reckless? That’s the question a grand jury will answer in the case of a Baskin-Robbins store clerk who shot a robber armed with a BB gun.

The grand jury began looking at evidence around 9 a.m. Monday. It has one duty in this case: to decide whether the manner in which a store clerk used his weapon was justified.

That store clerk is David Fielding. Back in September fielding was working at the Baskin-Robbins on Forest hill when, police say, Jerome Davis robbed the store with a BB gun.

Police say fielding fired his own gun, shooting Davis nearly a dozen times — three times inside the store and eight times outside the store. The medical examiner ruled that a shot to the back killed Davis.

Now the big question before the grand jury is whether the shooting was in self-defense or if it was reckless.

The Commonwealth’s Attorney said Monday morning that the shooting should be considered reckless if Fielding shot repeatedly when Davis was no longer a threat.

The grand jury is expected to rule on the matter early Monday afternoon, and NBC12 will update this story as it develops.

http://www.nbc12.com/news/state/11018166.html
 

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HankT wrote:
Here's an exampleof what I meant in theprior post about a goofy employee deciding to shoot some dman robber--inappropriately.

I'm sure the top managers at Baskin-Robbins have ordered a few cases of Mylanta and Rolaids. They're gonna be gobbling that stuff up in handfuls by the time this case is over for them...

Sounds like the kid emptied his magazine into the perp. Is that deserving of a criminal charge and a civil suit for big bucks? We'll find out at least half of that later today... Maybe it'll be a twofer.

I'll stick my neck out and predict that clerk will get indicted. He just fired too dmanmuch. But it's up to the grand jury. Whatever they say goes.


Virginia News

Grand jury deliberates on Baskin-Robbins shooting
By Nicole Bell, NBC12 News

Justified or reckless? That’s the question a grand jury will answer in the case of a Baskin-Robbins store clerk who shot a robber armed with a BB gun.

The grand jury began looking at evidence around 9 a.m. Monday. It has one duty in this case: to decide whether the manner in which a store clerk used his weapon was justified.

That store clerk is David Fielding. Back in September fielding was working at the Baskin-Robbins on Forest hill when, police say, Jerome Davis robbed the store with a BB gun.

Police say fielding fired his own gun, shooting Davis nearly a dozen times — three times inside the store and eight times outside the store. The medical examiner ruled that a shot to the back killed Davis.

Now the big question before the grand jury is whether the shooting was in self-defense or if it was reckless.

The Commonwealth’s Attorney said Monday morning that the shooting should be considered reckless if Fielding shot repeatedly when Davis was no longer a threat.

The grand jury is expected to rule on the matter early Monday afternoon, and NBC12 will update this story as it develops.

http://www.nbc12.com/news/state/11018166.html

Well, regardless of how it turns out, I'm fairly certain that if the Baskin Robbins employee ever again carries a gun for self defense, he'll be carrying something with a bigger bore...

Anyhow, as much as I hate to say it, I agree with HankT here. It's too much of an insurance liability for companies to let their employees carry firearms... at least as the insurance companies see it.
 

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That's why we need a shark lawyer who can turn it around and make corporations liable for disarming patrons.

Or maybe not. I hate the thought of further abusing the system by paying lawyers more money to violate someone else's property rights. But if the victims of employee self-defense shootings are going to twist the liability laws against the insurance companies, and ultimately you, how else can you fight back?
 
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