You guys have to stop open carying your rifles in places of business.

[Grapeshot]

Did I ever say that majority didn't??

You surely implied that OCing long guns would result in their ban which has pointedly not been the case.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Sorry, but if I ever come to Texas it be for hog hunting.

Well at least there is no limit for mirrors, or permits...

 

[wimwag]

It was in response to his attitude.



The 2A doesn't make a distinction on handgun open carry, but is banned in several states.

What attitude? I am going to exercise my rights and that is a fact. Nothing you have to say will change anything. Now take your seat on the MAIG bandwagon and remember to buckle up.

 

[wimwag]

As to what possible reason a person from Washington State thinks that they have some valid opinion of the actions of a group of people in another state (in this case Texas)? I have lived here for 6 months and I don't think I have gained a sufficiently objective opinion yet to be opening my mouth about anything OCT etc are doing. I am however in a position to speak about the thinking that we should be "controlling ourselves" to avoid a ban on open carry. We already have a ban on open carry here. We also have a right established by both Texas and the US constitutions. Certain parties to this conversation seem pretty flippant about changing that. They seem to think it would be a trivial thing to change. Do I smell an anti in wolf's clothing?



I have an offer to make you. Why don't you come down here to Austin. I will take you to where I must go every evening that I work. It is a quaint little place Near Rundberg and I-35. Leave your weapons home and show us how it is done.



You probably have the balls to do it once. How about 20 times per month year round?





Just my two cents . . .

I'm just going to take a shot in the dark and guess he doesn't own any guns and is making false false flag arguments..."I'm a gun owner but blah blah blah..."

 

[bushwacker]

i thought it was cool to open carry, i did it, but i don't do it anymore where it will draw attention.

I realize now that the open carry rules are really not for you to take your rifle into a store, restaurant or place of business. It is so that you can go shooting, hunting or carry your guns to your car without the police arresting you. It is basically for you to do what most normal people do with there guns, not to go scare people with them.

Here in vegas i can open carry and i have, but i don't do it anymore just to show off. I do it when i am moving my guns around or walking around the deserts shooting. I even leave guns just showing in the hatchback of my car. What i love best about open carry is that i can half conceal my pistol or print with it and because of the open carry rules i can not get in trouble.

What you guys are going to do is have your rights taken away, now you will have to sneak your rifles to your car or whatever. Kind of like what they have in florida, you can't even print with the concealed carry.

There is no benefit to doing this, so please stop. If you want to promote gun rights then there are probably better ways for people to get into the hobby.

I may not be explaining this the best way here but you probably know what i mean. So stop carrying those rifles in places where people will feel you are robbing them.

We still live in a civilized society and walking around with a rifle just doesn't fit. This isn't the 1700's when you needed to do that.

I'm not in vegas but you guys here need to contact the people who are going to ruin everything for you and tell them to stop doing it.

damn, i hate being lied to . Someone told me that what happens in vegas stays in vegas .....look at what you have become how is that feeling that you have when folks from cali come to nevada and tell you that you don't need any high cap mags or assault style guns, get rid of those full auto ranges , (yes folks you can go to his state and shoot full autos ... Cool as it is . He doesn't need to be running his suck about something that he does'nt have full comprehension about...texas) mr and mrs nevada turn in your guns why hell you can even open carry in bars and casinos there ..and on nights when i am not drinking , i always open carry there and always will ( also nv does'nt reconize my ccw but would oc any way) where does this guy get off ?how does he rate ? This guy would'nt happen to be .....aka ...harry reid... Would he? Hummmm maybe that explains why he says he is not in vegas...he's in washington :-/

 

[Logan 5]

Do you think loaded questions and inaction is helping? Get off your ass and restore Texan's gun rights, then criticize me on how I do it.

Why should anyone outside of Texas really care about Texas? The irresponsible actions by armed Texans has affected the rest of the pro-2nd A community in relation to that business. Have you thought about that? So the Texans, showing how tough and manly they are taking assault rifles into a fast food joint succeeded in removing the OC right of others regarding the same business. Congrats.

What’s this line about “don’t mess with Texas”? Well, looks like someone clearly did because you can’t OC handguns and ya’ll did nothing to stop it. But you want people from otuside your state to do it for you while you OC long rifles in businesses....?

I will carry my rifle when and where I want. Even if carrying a handgun is more tactically sound. My civil rights are not subject to the opinions and irrational fears of others. Why? Tis a RIGHT not a privelage. I suggest the OP and his elitist sidekick grab a dictionary.

Congrats. That attitude can cost you and or others an awful lot. Your right to keep and bear arms does not negate the right of a property owner. If you go onto private property and you are instructed that you may not OC there, you will honor that request or face getting arrested. What image does that provide to the non-2nd A community then? Not the anti-gunners, but those that simply don’t own any? “Wow! Look at that bully! Trespassing with a gun and not caring one bit in the world that he’s not welcome there?” You just scored +5 for the Brady Bunch. Congrats.

First, they are not "showing off." They absolutely are posing for a picture. They are posing for a picture because a picture is being taken. You are right that these sort of pictures are quite commonplace now. These sort of pictures are taken every week, in fact. Many of them are taken with members of the public happily joining in, with store staff participating with big smiles on their faces, and I believe even with police officers posing with their own black rifles alongside OCT members.

You say they are not showing off. To others it could be. You are not the dictionary nazi of the world telling people what definitions are. Only your perceptions. While that may be ok for some, others may not be so positive about it. You say those pics are taken each week, ok. Let’s see them then.

A couple of other things... Rifles being slung to the back is already a recommendation. However, many people have rifles with single point slings and I don't believe it would be proper to carry those with the rifle to the back. Unnecessary handling of the rifles is already against policy. Adjustments for comfort, even as much as removing the rifle and re-slinging to the other side, cannot be avoided as many of these walks last several hours. Posing for pictures is, I believe, a perfectly legitimate reason to hold the rifle temporarily. In fact, in many pictures the group is large enough that those in front must kneel down, necessitating that the rifle be held as to not clang on the ground. Not to mention that it's just human nature to do something with your hands when posing for a picture. The point is, unnecessary handling is already against policy. As above, of course, it is possible to adjust to make photographs more impervious to perversion, and this fact has not escaped those in a position to set policy.

I have seen a man in public (via video) with his rifle slung across his back. Looked “safe” by LEO standards. No mag, chamber cleared and a red marker showing the gun was “safe”.

Now think of this- that man goes into a Burger King. Orders a meal and is eating. Next thing you know a meth head comes in and starts busting caps on people.

How long will it take for him to activate that rifle so he can use it to stop the methie? By the time he does, he likely won’t because odds are he’ll already be wounded or dead.

Pout him and or yourself in a Chipolte or Starbucks with that scenario. What good is that gun if you can’t use it in an emergency? It’s just there for show. That’s all. Thus showing off and brandishing for effect.

 

[coorsleftfield]

Another place we can no longer open carry. Good work guys, thumbs up :banghead:

Are you being secretly paid by Bloomberg or Shannon Watts to take these photos because you're really helping their cause and giving them wins that fire up their base.

So since the whole open carrying of long guns tactic has not work for advancing our rights, we should stop using that tactic and find a different way to get laws changed.

 

[223to45]

I'm just going to take a shot in the dark and guess he doesn't own any guns and is making false false flag arguments..."I'm a gun owner but blah blah blah..."

See you guys are no different then the anti's you complain about. If someone doesn't agree with you 110%, they must be from the other side.:shocker:

 

[WalkingWolf]

Don't you guys know that it is uncouth to feed the trolls?

 

[mpguy]

I keep flip-flopping trying to decide whether or not to reply :lol: Not that I have anything negative to say. I'm just not sure if you'll find my responses adequate. So, with that in mind, I'm not trying to disagree, just discuss some of the issues you've raised, which are legitimate concerns. Also I am not a spokesperson for OCT.

First, they are not "showing off." They absolutely are posing for a picture. They are posing for a picture because a picture is being taken. You are right that these sort of pictures are quite commonplace now. These sort of pictures are taken every week, in fact. Many of them are taken with members of the public happily joining in, with store staff participating with big smiles on their faces, and I believe even with police officers posing with their own black rifles alongside OCT members.

That being said, it is possible to adjust methods to make our photographs more impervious to the perversions of the control campaigns, and this has not escaped OCT leadership.

A couple of other things... Rifles being slung to the back is already a recommendation. However, many people have rifles with single point slings and I don't believe it would be proper to carry those with the rifle to the back. Unnecessary handling of the rifles is already against policy. Adjustments for comfort, even as much as removing the rifle and re-slinging to the other side, cannot be avoided as many of these walks last several hours. Posing for pictures is, I believe, a perfectly legitimate reason to hold the rifle temporarily. In fact, in many pictures the group is large enough that those in front must kneel down, necessitating that the rifle be held as to not clang on the ground. Not to mention that it's just human nature to do something with your hands when posing for a picture. The point is, unnecessary handling is already against policy. As above, of course, it is possible to adjust to make photographs more impervious to perversion, and this fact has not escaped those in a position to set policy.

Thank you for the clear answer, and understanding that what I said was just based on opinion.

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[Firearms Iinstuctor]

Some are just find sitting in the back of bus not eating at the whites only counter.

It is just easier that way.

 

[stealthyeliminator]

What’s this line about “don’t mess with Texas”? Well, looks like someone clearly did because you can’t OC handguns and ya’ll did nothing to stop it. But you want people from otuside your state to do it for you while you OC long rifles in businesses....?

That's a slogan from the state government's anti-littering campaign. What does that have to do with OC again? You clearly are lacking in your knowledge of the situation.

 

[stealthyeliminator]

Another place we can no longer open carry. Good work guys, thumbs up :banghead:

Are you being secretly paid by Bloomberg or Shannon Watts to take these photos because you're really helping their cause and giving them wins that fire up their base.

So since the whole open carrying of long guns tactic has not work for advancing our rights, we should stop using that tactic and find a different way to get laws changed.

lol. You're one of those people that do a lot more talking than listening, aren't you? By that I simply mean that this has been hashed out, quite extensively, here and elsewhere.

 

[stealthyeliminator]

Congrats. That attitude can cost you and or others an awful lot. Your right to keep and bear arms does not negate the right of a property owner. If you go onto private property and you are instructed that you may not OC there, you will honor that request or face getting arrested. What image does that provide to the non-2nd A community then? Not the anti-gunners, but those that simply don’t own any? “Wow! Look at that bully! Trespassing with a gun and not caring one bit in the world that he’s not welcome there?” You just scored +5 for the Brady Bunch. Congrats.

If you are accusing OCT members of trespassing on private property, you need to back that up with a cite. No OCT member has ever trespassed on private property during an OC walk or OCT event. Lies and propaganda.

 

[stealthyeliminator]

I have seen a man in public (via video) with his rifle slung across his back. Looked “safe” by LEO standards. No mag, chamber cleared and a red marker showing the gun was “safe”.

Now think of this- that man goes into a Burger King. Orders a meal and is eating. Next thing you know a meth head comes in and starts busting caps on people.

How long will it take for him to activate that rifle so he can use it to stop the methie? By the time he does, he likely won’t because odds are he’ll already be wounded or dead.

Pout him and or yourself in a Chipolte or Starbucks with that scenario. What good is that gun if you can’t use it in an emergency? It’s just there for show. That’s all. Thus showing off and brandishing for effect.

That doesn't follow. You jump from lacking utility for self-defense straight to criminally threatening.

 

[wimwag]

Don't you guys know that it is uncouth to feed the trolls?

dude, +1 for the use of c
"couth."

 

[PWC_Glock]

I'm sitting here looking at this.

That's not the imagine i think sets a good example. To me, this picture is showing off. You want to set a example, do it, by getting your picture taken with your family, while eating. My dad would have killed me walking any where like this, and to me, MY opinion, that's the problem.

If your going to get your pic taken, have the gun slung appropriately on your back, and never move it. I think at least in my opinion, those pictures are the problem. This may not be the scene from the restaurant, as that was from a quick search. That picture though, people like that, posing, is becoming more common place.

Sorry if I step on toes. It's just my opinion. I have np with long gun oc. Just like any form of oc, there is a right and wrong way.

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I have to agree.

When I first joined OCDO and started to open carry some suggestions was as follows...

1. Act responsible we are trying to win over the general public to our side.

2. Get good equipment (retention holster, tape recorder etc) to protect yourself.

3. Project a positive image by paying attention to how you are dressed etc...

4. Just go about your day and pretend you are not carrying (you will get used to it the more you do it).


Instead we have these idiots...

1. Acting stupidly by holding their firearms at low ready to pose for a picture in a public. (Just how many people did they sweep to pose for that picture)?

2. One of the comments above says "single point slings require the idiots in the picture handle their firearms more"...Suggestion for OCT recomend that all of you members to have a sling (just like a retention holster) that does not require that. Hell I will even buy them for your members if you stop screwing up things for the rest of the United States.

3. Tell me what is positive about the image that the guy posted to his own Facebook page? Look if you are going to go out in public please don't look like you spent the last week in your mom's basement playing WoW and the only reason you came up for air is because you ran out of Hot Pockets.

Being overweight is fine however don't look like you went thru the hamper and found the clothes that did not smell for F sake. Being little is fine but why are you wearing "bean boots" in May in Texas? Did your mom put your flip-flops in the wash that day?

Also don't post stuff about wanting/selling drugs on the same facebook page.

4. I know it is different in VA where I can open carry with a pistol and Texas requires a rifle. However I am sure if I ever struck a pose like that (by removing my firearm from its holster...aka a safe place) at one of Ed's opencarry breakfasts I would probably be yelled at (if not worse) and would not be invited to attend any more meetings.

If your members would follow the rules above you would probably be more effective in Texas and not screwing it up for the rest of us.

 

[FTG-05]

I have to agree.

When I first joined OCDO and started to open carry some suggestions was as follows...

1. Act responsible we are trying to win over the general public to our side.

2. Get good equipment (retention holster, tape recorder etc) to protect yourself.

3. Project a positive image by paying attention to how you are dressed etc...

4. Just go about your day and pretend you are not carrying (you will get used to it the more you do it).


Instead we have these idiots...

1. Acting stupidly by holding their firearms at low ready to pose for a picture in a public. (Just how many people did they sweep to pose for that picture)? Assumption without any evidence in fact.

2. One of the comments above says "single point slings require the idiots in the picture handle their firearms more"...Suggestion for OCT recommend that all of you members to have a sling (just like a retention holster) that does not require that. Hell I will even buy them for your members if you stop screwing up things for the rest of the United States. And your point is....?

3. Tell me what is positive about the image that the guy posted to his own Facebook page? Look if you are going to go out in public please don't look like you spent the last week in your mom's basement playing WoW and the only reason you came up for air is because you ran out of Hot Pockets. How do you know it's not positive? From reactions from the gun banners or from the OC Fudds?

Being overweight is fine however don't look like you went thru the hamper and found the clothes that did not smell for F sake. Being little is fine but why are you wearing "bean boots" in May in Texas? Did your mom put your flip-flops in the wash that day? Please post your dress code requirements before someone is allowed to enjoy their 2nd amendment rights. We're waiting.

Also don't post stuff about wanting/selling drugs on the same facebook page.

4. I know it is different in VA where I can open carry with a pistol and Texas requires a rifle. However I am sure if I ever struck a pose like that (by removing my firearm from its holster...aka a safe place) at one of Ed's opencarry breakfasts I would probably be yelled at (if not worse) and would not be invited to attend any more meetings. They didn't take a firearm from it's holster, so what are you bitching about again?

If your members would follow the rules above you would probably be more effective in Texas and not screwing it up for the rest of us. Oh, and what OC events have you organized that incorporate your "rules"? Please, let's see them, we're all waiting here with baited breath.....

There are only two types of people that have their panties in a wad over this issue.

- Gun banners
- OC Fudds.

The OC Fudds need to wake up and decide which side of the gun control argument they want be on.

:banghead:

 

[stealthyeliminator]

There are only two types of people that have their panties in a wad over this issue.

- Gun banners
- OC Fudds.

The OC Fudds need to wake up and decide which side of the gun control argument they want be on.

:banghead:

+1 QFT
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I grow weary of this discussion. How many people feel the need to say the same damned thing over and over and over? Too many people here are just as emotionally reactional as.. well.. you know who.

 

[PWC_Glock]

There are only two types of people that have their panties in a wad over this issue.

- Gun banners
- OC Fudds.

The OC Fudds need to wake up and decide which side of the gun control argument they want be on.

:banghead:

Actually there is a third type...

The type that thinks open carry is an absolute right and they should be allowed to carry anywhere with out any consequences.

For the recoord I do believe open carry is a right but people should be responsible about.

Sorry if you don't get that.

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I would not allow those two people in the pic to carry in my house would you?

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