J1MB0B
Regular Member
I've been attending Bate's for a few months now. Before I started there I researched their policy on firearms. Everything I found says I can carry there "in accordance with state regulations and law."
Today, I was talking with a few other students, none of which know I carry there nor do I know if they carry, and the subject came up and we talked quite a bit about firearms and weather they are allowed on campus. We were having this conversation fairly close to the campus security office and one of the guys went to ask the security office if they are allowed or not. The security offices said all Bate's property is a gun free zone and anyone carrying will be violating state and federal law.
What he said goes against all of the school policies that I have found so far, so I called the main security office at the downtown campus to find out if he was talking out his ass or if that is how the security is being trained. That is in fact how they are trained and after a few minutes of trying to get him to look up the school policy, he told me it's at the discretion of the school president so I need to call his office.
I called the school president's office and talked to his administrative assistant. All she told me is that firearms came up in the last board meeting and they are currently revising the policy.
My question is: What now?
I know some of you guys might say don't ask for permission to carry, just do it. Well that might be the case if I was in costco or walmart, but my biggest worry is that I might end up in the same boat as Grim_Night, over at clover park. I do carry concealed at the school so I'm worried what the reaction might be if someone found out. Based on what the security guys told me, the reaction probably won't be very good for me.
Here are the policies I've found from Bate's:
Bate's Technical College Student Handbook Page 18: (This matches the WAC word for word) http://www.bates.ctc.edu/disclosures
(15) Unlawful possession, transportation or storage of any firearm(s), explosives, dangerous chemicals or other weapons, devices or substances which can be used to inflict bodily harm or to damage real or personal property.
Bate's Technical College Bylaws and Policies; Chapter 6: College Operations [607] Pages 79-80: VII. FIREARMS http://www.bates.ctc.edu/disclosures
Carrying, exhibiting, displaying or drawing any firearm, dagger, sword, knife, or any other cutting device, or explosive, or any facsimile weapons, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm and/or property damage in a manner, and at a time and place that either manifest an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons, is prohibited on college property; provided, however, that this regulation shall not apply to law enforcement personnel required by their office to carry such weapons or devices. The President will establish procedure for enforcement of this policy in accordance with state regulations and law.
WAC 495A-121-041: Prohibited Conduct: (This matches the student handbook word for word) http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=495A-121-041
(15) Unlawful possession, transportation or storage of any firearm(s), explosives, dangerous chemicals or other weapons, devices or substances which can be used to inflict bodily harm or to damage real or personal property.
Today, I was talking with a few other students, none of which know I carry there nor do I know if they carry, and the subject came up and we talked quite a bit about firearms and weather they are allowed on campus. We were having this conversation fairly close to the campus security office and one of the guys went to ask the security office if they are allowed or not. The security offices said all Bate's property is a gun free zone and anyone carrying will be violating state and federal law.
What he said goes against all of the school policies that I have found so far, so I called the main security office at the downtown campus to find out if he was talking out his ass or if that is how the security is being trained. That is in fact how they are trained and after a few minutes of trying to get him to look up the school policy, he told me it's at the discretion of the school president so I need to call his office.
I called the school president's office and talked to his administrative assistant. All she told me is that firearms came up in the last board meeting and they are currently revising the policy.
My question is: What now?
I know some of you guys might say don't ask for permission to carry, just do it. Well that might be the case if I was in costco or walmart, but my biggest worry is that I might end up in the same boat as Grim_Night, over at clover park. I do carry concealed at the school so I'm worried what the reaction might be if someone found out. Based on what the security guys told me, the reaction probably won't be very good for me.
Here are the policies I've found from Bate's:
Bate's Technical College Student Handbook Page 18: (This matches the WAC word for word) http://www.bates.ctc.edu/disclosures
(15) Unlawful possession, transportation or storage of any firearm(s), explosives, dangerous chemicals or other weapons, devices or substances which can be used to inflict bodily harm or to damage real or personal property.
Bate's Technical College Bylaws and Policies; Chapter 6: College Operations [607] Pages 79-80: VII. FIREARMS http://www.bates.ctc.edu/disclosures
Carrying, exhibiting, displaying or drawing any firearm, dagger, sword, knife, or any other cutting device, or explosive, or any facsimile weapons, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm and/or property damage in a manner, and at a time and place that either manifest an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons, is prohibited on college property; provided, however, that this regulation shall not apply to law enforcement personnel required by their office to carry such weapons or devices. The President will establish procedure for enforcement of this policy in accordance with state regulations and law.
WAC 495A-121-041: Prohibited Conduct: (This matches the student handbook word for word) http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=495A-121-041
(15) Unlawful possession, transportation or storage of any firearm(s), explosives, dangerous chemicals or other weapons, devices or substances which can be used to inflict bodily harm or to damage real or personal property.
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